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Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-26 17:05
by LITOralis.nMd
- Red Diamond= Cache
- Red Triangle = Hideout
- Red Filled Circle = BluFor Cache Marker search area
- Red Outlined Circle = 200 Meter Diameter Around Cache
- Yellow Circles = 0.95 Full Sprint (I need to update this, haven't figured out the distance of a full sprint in new system)
- Grey Circle = 200 Meter Diameter Circle between Hideouts
It really is that simple. The darker the yellow the more concentrated the ease of defense due to multiple spawn points within sprint distance.
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Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-26 18:07
by Vege
More work needs to be put on the players rather than the gamemode.
1. Iw yet to see good teamplay on INS side. Imho this happens because current conflicts are still in good memory and Insurgents are seen as the enemy. This is even more evident on US/Brit servers. Just my opinion.
2. Not enough hideouts. 3 Per cache is IMHO optimal.
3. Not enough commanders to spot the moving troops with waypoints.
4. Spawning on unknowns.
5. Getting killed and insta giving up meaning easy intel.
6. Not enough collaborators.
7. No tactical understanding of the vehicles and how to use them in full force.
Technical's are the backbone, and can turn any battle. Still I have never seen server to enforce assetrule on technical's.
8. Not enough mortar teams.
Insurgency just got easier because of the new cache spawn rule. Finally allmost all the caches were inside the city in Karbala for example.
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-26 20:28
by Cassius
Oddsodz wrote:Oh my, How I for saw this day. I Said it then back in the day. This type of game mode is in need of some tweaks. Even more so now. Players have at last learned all the places of all the cache. And no matter what the Op4 team do, They can not hold back an haft average team of Blue4 due to the inherent advantage of the kits and assets.
They can. I saw several times an insurgent team win against a somewhat organized team. Ambush, ambush and more ambush. Sadly oftentimes the insurgents do not even use the Artillery IED and all the other IEDs they get. Just like it was hard as nails for the blueforce to win when no rally was tested, people upped their game and eventually won hard maps.
Vege wrote:More work needs to be put on the players rather than the gamemode.
1. Iw yet to see good teamplay on INS side. Imho this happens because current conflicts are still in good memory and Insurgents are seen as the enemy. This is even more evident on US/Brit servers. Just my opinion.
It was on an American server where I oftentimes saw the insurgent team giving the blueforce a good whooping. Maybe the FBI needs to do a good search for terrorist cells?
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-26 21:13
by Dalkand
Has anyone seen the recent Blufor use of C4 off helicopters on Basra...
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-27 00:31
by Jolly
ComradeHX wrote:FOB limit is the only thing stopping BluFor from doing that.
That, and spreading out people to defend those FOB would mean less people actively searching for the cache. Otherwise the FOB are not so well-defended and...
Two days ago on =SAGA= public server(not #2), on Al basrah I stabbed a FOB, killed two machinegunners who were too busy slinging 50cal bullets into the city, and got a few british kit's worth of incendiary grenades and wasted all of those structures.
I was using a cell leader's kit to help a sniper, but he was killed by APC near the FOB and I was not spotted, so I got to the FOB and killed it.
Basically BluFor on the server are also bad...depending on which side has more =SAGA= members, it may change.
Oh, and our server has a distinct lack of mumble. =SAGA= needs to see its effectiveness and set up a server for it.
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Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-27 05:57
by Puddy
I remember 1 time and this has happened to us before, place a techie at a defending position near a known cache, I get on the big gun and one of my mates gets on the mounted front seat gun. We hold back any attempt for blu to take out the cache or even enter the building its in, rest of squad takes up tactical positions to protect cache and also protect techie as enemy now know our intentions and position.
So what happens? Idiot from other squad jumps in OUR techie and drives off nothing we say makes him stop or return the techie, he drives to a way to hot spot in the line of enemy apc and we are all dead, techie is blown up and cache is very soon after destroyed.
Ino this is a random post however this wouldn't generally happen on blu.
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-27 08:14
by [md]MadMak[rus]
There must be a server rule "Do not attack unknown cashes".
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-27 13:47
by soldier19919
hahaah ghosting is hardcore seems completely normal, noobs...
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-27 18:51
by Sneak Attack
It's all about the hideouts and where they are placed, 1 near the cache is a set up for failure. You need at least 2 but preferably 3 and they need to be a good distance from the cache so they will not fall when if the cache becomes unspawnable. Having them placed on different sides of the cache is a must as well. Allows you to see what direction the enemy is coming from when a hideout falls and confuses the enemy on what direction everybody is coming from. No hideouts = no win
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-27 19:05
by Dev1200
Have teamswitching turned off, and keeping people in the same clan on 1 team.
Otherwise, it's not hard to run around with a humvee and wait for an RPG to fire at you..
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-28 15:05
by Cassius
The problem with only one cache spawnable, is that some caches are really really hard to get. The caves in Lashkar Valley for example or other maps are tiny spaces which can be held by one machinegun. But the caves in Afghanistan look more like this.
V?deo - Bin Ladens Cave according to Rumsfeld
"Entrances large enough for tanks"
That has nothing in common with the small deathtraps ingame. How about making the caves more like that?
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-28 15:42
by amazing_retard
Cassius wrote:The problem with only one cache spawnable, is that some caches are really really hard to get. The caves in Lashkar Valley for example or other maps are tiny spaces which can be held by one machinegun. But the caves in Afghanistan look more like this.
V?deo - Bin Ladens Cave according to Rumsfeld
"Entrances large enough for tanks"
That has nothing in common with the small deathtraps ingame. How about making the caves more like that?
Does Rumsfeld sound like a solid source to you?
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-28 15:48
by Spec
Besides, that would be even harder to capture.
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-28 16:17
by Cassius
amazing_retard wrote:Does Rumsfeld sound like a solid source to you?
Wasnt he the minister of defense or something? What are/were the caves in torabora like then?
Re: Now insurgents are much harder.....New tactical???
Posted: 2011-07-29 02:57
by mat552
Dalkand wrote:Has anyone seen the recent Blufor use of C4 off helicopters on Basra...
Recent? People have been doing that since the insurgents have had caches. I can vividly remember some of the more daring .8 era runs in littlebirds in Korengal Valley doing nap of the earth runs down the river, dropping off presents to all the good little insurgents.
Through up to four walls.
