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Maverick wrote:You know how the Field Dressing only heals up a certain percentage? Can't the same code be used for the extinguisher? or maybe have the extinguisher have a lower usage time?(Clarify: You know how the wrench in BF2 has a limit to how long you can use it? Well, can't the same be applied to the extinguisher?(or maybe the overheat code for the M249 SAW in Vbf2 lol)

'[R-DEV wrote:Ninja2dan;1660554']The type of extinguishers used on military equipment is likely going to be a Halon 1211 type. Unlike chemical-agent extinguishers, these leave no residue and have minimal damage risk against sensitive electronic equipment. Although the majority of civilian-grade extinguishers are now Halotron, the military still uses certain classes of Halon that meet federal requirements. I won't discuss legality of Halon due to it not being vital to this topic.

The average range of most Halon hand-held extinguishers is 10-12 feet. The agent is a rapidly-evaporating liquid gas, which is why there is lack of residue. The gas is mildly toxic to those in the immediate release cloud, but in an open area such as outdoors there is not a high chance of injury risk. Attempting to fully discharge an extinguisher at a person within range and in the open environment is likely to have similar effect as popping them with a cloud of CS/CN agent.


As for use of an extinguisher in PR by crewmen, I can see it being practical but only if it could be done properly. I would NOT want to see an extinguisher be capable of "healing/repairing" a vehicle in the same manner as a wrench or combat dressing. The use of an extinguisher should only be capable of bringing a vehicle's health a fart above the "critical/burning" phase and no more. The entire purpose of the extinguisher should be to do just that, extinguish the fire thereby removing the constant health loss associated with the "burning vehicle" effect.

For example, if the Critical phase of a vehicle (the point at which it is burning and gradually continues to lose health) is 15% overall HP, the extinguisher should only be capable of repairing it to 17% or so. If you use the extinguisher when the vehicle is at 2% or 15%, the maximum repair possible will ALWAYS be 17%. This would avoid people exploiting the purpose of the extinguisher and using it to repair a vehicle as if it was some sort of magical fix-me wrench.


You would also need to code in a "charge" or "ammo" capacity for the extinguishers, requiring the crewman to "rearm" if it has been used. The maximum capacity of the extinguisher should probably be 150-200% the amount required to actually repair a vehicle from 1% to 17% (as example, based on above) to account for improper use (standing too far away, not aiming it properly, etc). As a comparison, most real-world extinguishers have a maximum duration of around 10 seconds. From my experience, an average "fully-involved" automotive engine fire can be extinguished by a 2.5lb Halon extinguisher in about 5 seconds.


If someone wants to code up the extinguishing "repair" effect, and it tests out to function as intended, then I don't see why not. The models/animations will take some work, but probably not as challenging as the effect itself.

BlazeDBe3 wrote:As for the ammo dropping from APC exploit, just have set so the engie only gets 2 refills of the Fire Ext. If you can.

BlazeDBe3 wrote:Maybe have the abrams drop say light repair kit from the drivers seat, and just drops a look a like toolbox for the engie and resupplys him?

This A) makes it somewhat still realistic
B) limited re-supplys takes abuse away
C) makes it so tanks dont get screwed (no ammo drop VS. APC drops ammo crates. My Toolbox suggestion. fixes this)

Spec wrote:I don't think that'd work. You can't have specific items only rearm specific classes/weapons, otherwise we'd not have medics taking the same 'ammo' for their epipens as machine gunners for their SAWs. The amount of ammo can also only be limited by how much is in the box, it can't be limited depending on what item is refilled. The devs can't even make one item 'worth' more ammo than another: it only depends on the ammo count. Otherwise the riflemans' ammo bag could be worth a LAT missile but not a rifleman ammo bag at the same time. As it is, it can only have enough ammo for neither or both.

Ammo in the BF2 engine is somewhat of a weird thing.

lukeyu2005 wrote:Or just make it fire extinguishers = stop bleeding but not gain any health. Just stablise it until you can rtb or find a repair crate thing. If this is possible.

Too bad i don't think you can link something to stopping the bleeding effect otherwise they should've done that with the field dressings long ago.

I don't know please look into this

ComradeHX wrote:How about only make the fire extinguiser give a continuous hp increase to counter act against the burning effect?

Maybe make it like a wrench with very low repair power so the vehicle has to stay put/move very slowly while the crewman is outside spraying at the engine? Also, there is a need to limit the effect so people cannot repair the vehicle with multiple crewman kits.

This will make the logi truck more useful as the repair station will need to be dropped next to the damaged vehicle near the frontlines instead of just dumped somewhere far away while the logi truck is sent elsewhere for other business.

Hunt3r wrote:Why not just remove the burning altogether and as health decreases, first is a master caution that would indicate that the vehicle is at 50% health or below, then at the threshold where the vehicle would normally be burning, burning is taken out altogether, and instead there's a master warning and alarms blaring and flashing red lights, etc.

Of course, we still need to keep the ability to be immobilized, just the fire part is annoying when in most vehicles they either die immediately from a hit to the ammo w/ no blowout ammo racks, or have to have the vehicle hit until enough components are damaged to consider it a mission-kill. Either way, fires are unlikely in vehicles with automated fire suppression systems, even if the Halon gas is bad for the crewmen, at least they get away with their lives.

I would honestly rather not have the health at all instead of having it burn down when I accidentally hit a bump on my way back to the repair station and blow up just outside the base entrance. Nothing is more irritating and unrealistic.

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote: Interesting idea, but the problem I see with this is that if your vehicle dose become demobilized it may just become ditched in the field and then will sit out there for possibly the entire battle until someone decided to destroy it... Could possibly get around that with the vBF2 abandoned code being put back in where a vehicle self destructs after a certain amount of time if no one is in it but would still need to be like 10mins or something to make sure it didn't interrupt with game play. Could possible add an incendiary grenade to the crewman kit so they could also destroy the vehicle themselves if they are forced to abandon it. But ye this idea dose sound quite interesting to me. Would like to hear some more thoughts on it

Spec wrote:Rather rework the way vehicles spawn or something. I always wanted all vehicles to be there from round start. No respawns. Ditched vehicles have to be recovered. Destroying them would be useless, because nothing will respawn in their stead. The issue with that is probably the object limit in BF2, or silly players wasting all vehicles at round start... Though, I'd actually give them that freedom. Might promote the use of a proper commander to regulate the use of vehicles to be enough to stand a chance, but few enough not to waste it all in the first 15 minutes of a round.

Sgt. Mahi wrote:Is it really not possible to make vehicles bleed when going out of bounds?

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote: But if we made the bleed very slow and the repair of the fire extinguisher very slow as well then it might not be worth the time doing a full repairing in the field and make more sense just to put out the fire (if there was one) with the help of a logi truck possibly and then / or RTB for a full repair.

'Sgt.Desert Tiger[TR wrote:;1661223']Yes add this and make bluefor armors unbeatable.Opfors have much problem while engaging 1 apc or tank with this we cant do anything on them.And pll will spam it everytime when armor goes up fire and run back to base easily.

In other hand arty ieds will done beat armors instead of take them down.

While talking about arty ied in new versions of mod its seems to me arty ied not resupply with 1 bag of ammo box anymore and this make too much problem because we need to go back to cache or base for resuplly.

Could possibly get around that with the vBF2 abandoned code being put back in where a vehicle self destructs after a certain amount of time

'Sgt.Desert Tiger[TR wrote:;1661223']Yes add this and make bluefor armors unbeatable.