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However

As sisu admin:

The point of the project was to create unique server for use of the BF2 PR community. As someone might know by now (whom have done their homework) the server is costing alot money per month to upkeep. We have had this basic number 400-500 e per month. Part of the cost is the hardware what had to be bought for the server. I must bolden up most of the servers running pr 64 man COULD NOT handle the amount of above 100 players.

Also the websites(sisu.kompassi.com), Stat boards, Webadmin project, TS (kompassi.com) Are included to this. To those who say sisu is getting ripped of, we are not. Fact is for someone to develop something like this its gonna take money.

This leads us to the clan/community discussion behind the sisu development. With this i must be expecially clear with all my typos included. The plan to not get "paying community" or "clan" behind the project was clear. WE ARE SEEING THE WHOLE PR BF2 COMMUNITY (This includes all players even you if you are not player yet) as the sisu's backround community. Sisu's was not ment to greate any borders to players ( Oh these players are part of sisu community so they are paying something for every month) etc. Plan was to get everyone to participate because the server was and is still for everyone playing BF2 PR. For those who donated we had nothing to else to give but our thanks and warm hugs and love. For those who didnt donate they had still something to offer to the sisu (PR:bf2) community by playing and providing good base for teamwork enviroment.

What comes to the integrating the sisu server code to PR I can not give any statement since this is not in my hands (im not a dev of PR). How ever the project is still wery much alive and if you want to start playing on sisu go and put some coins in to it. As with every server there have to be community behind the server. So as sisu admin and as a player i hope that the player base could realize this that they actually are the sisu's community.


Renting the server to host your own party or event is still avaible more info from sisu.kompassi.com

To sum things up:

Wicca wrote:What is currently happening though? Is it being worked on?

This is the single most major breakthrough since mumble, people want to know. I think we would just know if it has been scrapped or not.

ITS ALIVE

Still think 500 dollars is way too much. Like i said 100 euroes is all you need.

The question angellfall is, if we donate money, will the code be worked on? Will the code eventually be released to public? How do we know it is being worked on? And can we get a promise from the dev team that it will be released?

If i cant get that confirmation, why should i donate?

The NEW and TG community is donating their servers for free, for testing the mappack. Why cant SISU do the same?

Wicca wrote:Still think 500 dollars is way too much. Like i said 100 euroes is all you need.

The question angellfall is, if we donate money, will the code be worked on? Will the code eventually be released to public? How do we know it is being worked on? And can we get a promise from the dev team that it will be released?

If i cant get that confirmation, why should i donate?

The NEW and TG community is donating their servers for free, for testing the mappack. Why cant SISU do the same?

The server code has been improved almost everytime server has been up as bug minimizing etc. There is still some issues disturbing heavily the server tho as ghost's to be to most painfull issue. That if the code is released to public i doubt. However the plans where to in somepoint integrate it with the PR.

Why should you donate? Well that is easy to answer: To get the server up and running. As my self i would think the development of the code is just bonus what i get when i donate. As the code quite ready allready. And with is flaws it is still playable.

Thing is NEW is community and TG is community. They have someone behind their servers and paying the fees. However as i wrote earlier when it comes to sisu both NEW and TG and even you are part of the sisu community since we hold sisu as community for everyone who plays PR. But sisu as if is bigger is not differ from the other smaller communities someone still need to pay the fees. At this moment none of our beloved community members (You included) are not donating any coins for the server so the server is down. After our community (PR bf2 player base) will start donating againg the server will be up againg. Simple as it is. Same applies to those smaller communities telling "give us the code we will run it" well you must realize you allready have the code. everyone is wellcomed to play on the sisu when it is up.

But please, you can't expect that players will donate that already spend a lot of their money to their own servers.
I'm paying alot for servers each month for a few years now. I love to see SISU working on 128 but I can't spend even more money on PR.
Especially if others got the hardware too and can provide them for free (we actually hosted 128 too in the beginning).

I think the problem some of the people might have is that you are actually asking for money. No Money = no testing.
But we live in a modding community where everybody does everything for free. Of course server needs to payed but have you ever thought about how many hours the DEVs spend on their maps/vehicles/weapons?
Did they EVER asked you for money?

128p shouldnt be for sale. If Soppa wants to contribute he should do it the same way like the others. For free! There are enough people out there who can provide him with a server, they just don't like the way it is now.


Please keep in mind this is my very personal opinion and has nothing to do with my status as a PR Team member.

angellfall wrote:The server code has been improved almost everytime server has been up as bug minimizing etc. There is still some issues disturbing heavily the server tho as ghost's to be to most painfull issue. That if the code is released to public i doubt. However the plans where to in somepoint integrate it with the PR.

How do you know this?

angellfall wrote: Why should you donate? Well that is easy to answer: To get the server up and running. As my self i would think the development of the code is just bonus what i get when i donate. As the code quite ready allready. And with is flaws it is still playable.

Yes but i am more interested in having it ready for everyone, not for SISU. We pay money, we want results, not 1 server that has the sole right to 128. It would be better to have some sort of showcase or fix list that was updated to give us an idea of progress. Now all we can do is trust you with our money, and we see no progress. I have played enough 128 to know what it is. But if we want PR to grow, you need to finish this. And if you demand money for the code, then show us progress, why else should we invest money in it?

angellfall wrote: Thing is NEW is community and TG is community. They have someone behind their servers and paying the fees. However as i wrote earlier when it comes to sisu both NEW and TG and even you are part of the sisu community since we hold sisu as community for everyone who plays PR. But sisu as if is bigger is not differ from the other smaller communities someone still need to pay the fees. At this moment none of our beloved community members (You included) are not donating any coins for the server so the server is down. After our community (PR bf2 player base) will start donating againg the server will be up againg. Simple as it is. Same applies to those smaller communities telling "give us the code we will run it" well you must realize you allready have the code. everyone is wellcomed to play on the sisu when it is up.

If it is everyones code, then why are we using the SISU server? Cant we let someone who can do it for free donate it? It seems more logical.

The continued behaviour that i see, that you are only interested in hosting the 128 tests on the sisu server, and only for money, suggests something quite malicious. Even you should see this. 128 is fun, but it should not be used as a bargain chip to get our money.

// Wicca out

[quote=""'[R-COM"]BloodyDeed;1699162']128p shouldnt be for sale. If Soppa wants to contribute he should do it the same way like the others. For free! There are enough people out there who can provide him with a server, they just don't like the way it is now.[/quote]

[quote="Wicca""]If it is everyones code, then why are we using the SISU server? Cant we let someone who can do it for free donate it? It seems more logical.

The continued behaviour that i see, that you are only interested in hosting the 128 tests on the sisu server, and only for money, suggests something quite malicious. Even you should see this. 128 is fun, but it should not be used as a bargain chip to get our money.[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts.

This is why I wanted a response from Soppa rather than "others", so that some of my doubts could be cleared out. Right now I do not understand why someone would be willing to pay for something that has progressively turned into a "pay or not play". I understand sharing the costs, but I do not understand why forcing it upon the community to the point that is detrimental to the development of the 128 code. Isn't that counterproductive?

Why should I care to invest on something that right now seems to be nothing more than an occasional event?

Why would anyone so interested in offering an incredible feature to the community be so overly protective and obscure about his intentions?

A word from the DEVs would be nice but this silence seems to feed the suspicion that the code release is still an uncertainty. They also haven't lifted the restriction which makes me wonder that perhaps themselves suspect or dislike about the way things are being conducted.

sisu is not on sale -.- and as i have tried to put it down simply enough. But ppl still keeps on cutting words out from context. The server is there for everyone not for just communities but everyone try to realize this pls . If you want to have the 128 server for your community why dont you cut down your own server or one of your servers in the community and rent the sisu? Simply put your own name on it and get your admins on it? Thisway you would be doing a fawour to whole PR community.

What comes to free servers there is no such things in some point someone is paying for em.

angellfall wrote:sisu is not on sale -.- and as i have tried to put it down simply enough. But ppl still keeps on cutting words out from context. The server is there for everyone not for just communities but everyone try to realize this pls . If you want to have the 128 server for your community why dont you cut down your own server or one of your servers in the community and rent the sisu? Simply put your own name on it and get your admins on it? Thisway you would be doing a fawour to whole PR community.

What comes to free servers there is no such things in some point someone is paying for em.

Why you keep on emphasizing about the server when we're talking about the code?

That was the purpose of developing it in the first place, to distribute it to the community. It seems to me that you're the one taking words out of context.

Arcturus_Shielder wrote:Why you keep on emphasizing about the server when we're talking about the code?

That was the purpose of developing it in the first place, to distribute it to the community. It seems to me that you're the one taking words out of context.

As far as i know it was never the plan to distribute the code freely, however in some point it will be given to PR dev's whom will decide what to do with it. It has been told many times that the code will not be given away in its current form. That is why the sisu concept was build around it. therefore the sisu server is the code for now.

now i feel like a sucker....thinking it was all for the good of the community.....only to see

"As far as i know it was never the plan to distribute the code freely"

. sorry 64player slot servers, i was against yall limiting the sisu server in the begining thinking the code would eventually come to you guys...but now i see it wont....

"however in some point it will be given to PR dev's whom will decide what to do with it."

when is this going to happen...... and without knowing for sure what's the point then. its like 128 player code is being held hostage.... so we pay for proof of life from the sisu server but i want to know whats the cost for its freedom(the codes release to other servers/pr devs)....then you might actually see some donations.....

As no one being in charge of things i asked (Soppa, Tema, PR Management i see) hasn't commented this in any way and my questions still have no answer but instead couple of pages of irrelevant conversation,

please lock.

Angell. This is quite infuriating.... What the hell man...

You better get some official statment soon....

This is just not right, you cant honestly be selling this? And think its a good product?!

Thanks for clearing things up Angell. It's simple to understand guys.

Hosting a server cost money. Many servers like the "Brazilian community server" are paid by the community and locked and only opened to the contributors. This is something the sisu server do not want, they want that the whole BF2 community have an access to it, even without paying for it. But it still needs some people that pay for it, otherwise it's too high in prices to be only paid by Soppa.

So the thing is that, if you're willing to see the code developped, you must pay to allow people to play on the server, like the F|H team did at the release of FH2 2.4. Then when the code is ready it will be delivered to the Devs, who will, I hope, deliver it to the community for free.

But the problem is that people are afraid to put money in something that has no "progress status" on it.

If Soppa could post what is being worked on and what is still not working to have the code 100% working then people might consider putting money in it.

And that:

"As far as i know it was never the plan to distribute the code freely"

is a killer phrase, good way to not obtain money at all.

I think that phrase might honestly be a translation/meaning issue. By "distribute freely" do you mean "release openly" or "release without price"?

temexter wrote:As no one being in charge of things i asked (Soppa, Tema, PR Management i see) hasn't commented this in any way

128p for windows server is still under construction and in early betastages.

the old linux files are working too, soppa has (as your may already know) done some new fixes to them. but it seems like, they shouldnt be available for the rest of the pr community (yet).

just my 5 cents...

Angell, since you seem to be quite well informed I'd like to pose a few questions of my own.

What are the specs of the host machine?

Which company provides the hosting?

If someone else had the hardware to run a server with 128 slots, would they be able to gain sole access to the code (thus limiting it's exposure until the devs decide what is best for pr)?

I understand footing the bill alone isn't fair, but giving an already active and dedicated community the opportunity to make their mark in PR would serve to help everyone. People are starting to get upset because this comes across as extortion, and possibly collusion. Someone directly involved in the hosting and/or development would have to come and clear this up, and I assume that will not be happening anytime soon otherwise this thread wouldn't even exist.

angellfall wrote: We have had this basic number 400-500 e per month.

Seriously? That's more than my rent. I ran a ftp, web and DC++ server in my cupboard for 5 years. Electricity and broadband included in the rent. No costs at all. If the problem is hosting I am sure that someone would be able to provide it. The straight forward asking for donations seems fishy. Anyhow, it's a quite ridicules suspicion as the time spent programming the server code is not in proportion even to 10 years of donations. It's just seems so strange to write 128 player code and then not use it "due to lack of donations". It like painting a beautiful painting and than hide it from everyone. The whole server donation requirement is naive. So far this month the whole PR team has gained about 100 euro in donations. There wont be that much will to donate for a single server.

angellfall wrote:

ITS ALIVE

Nice.

What is till don't understand is why other server can't run the test. Im sure communitys
like TG/ =H= /PRTA/ UKWarfare have the money or the Server to run it.

This could fix alot, by meaning other server could run it and the fixes could still be rolled out.

An Error Has Occurred!

btw for those that want to know. In this forum, soppa states that the server requires:

You need DEDICATED i7 3,3GHz server for it. seems this one dont even have this kind of product.

To run the 128 server.

Ive told many times that 128 player bf2 server loader code will be released first on Project Reality.
Before that my code will not be running anywhere else than my personally rented servers from trusted service providers.

People should know it already *sigh*

http://fhpubforum.warumdarum.de/index.p ... #msg192829

not that I care to answer on this but maybe you will shut up if I do..

first test rig intel quad core/4GB ram/100Mbit internet.
now playing on intel hexa core/12GB ram/1GBit internet.
both server running centos 5.4 64bit OS

bf2 128 players will top CPU load on both servers and this is one thing what we are currently working on with all crash debugging.

And this.

So thats it i guess.

Locking this as there is currently no true official statement on this matter, sorry folks.