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I like the general idea, but I do think there are some inconsistencies. If you're interested, I'll mention them. Either way, excellent stuff.

i like it, but for the purposes of the game shoulnd the result be left open ended? seen as in the game we would be fighting to reach the end you have specified, and obviously online theres no garuntee the US and allies will win.

other than that great stuff, i was thinking alot of the same sort of thing for a story line although i admit you did a better job than i could throwing ideas around in my head .

As sort of constructive criticism (which you can listen to or not ) leave the end open, free to be decided by players actions in the game, maybe theres some way that results of online battles can be recorded (maybe PR ranked servers?) where the casualties and overall progress is monitored and reported to the community. also the sequensing is very good (i especially like the russian part) but we just cant have the MEC or china tapping out of the fight, unless perhaps you (or the PR team) relesed a sort of ongoing battle report for members of the community to read, i think that'd be pretty cool.

Anyway, feel free to accept or decline my input, ( i think you should take dre up on his offer, he seems to have his stuff down)

if youre looking for help with hammering out ideas i really like your stuff and id like to hear as much as you can throw out there, maybe think about writing a book.... make some cash

Sure Dre... point em out. I'm not really big on politics or anything but I have a general idea of whats going on the world.

Other than that thanks for the comments Broken Arrow. On a side note I closed it with an ending becuase no doubt you really need one, or at least this is my opnion. Bascially theres really no way to tell if one side will win or not during online play. Say if American Forces were defeated at the Gulf of Oman? According to BF2's breifing the the Gulf of Oman the U.S Marines must take the area or else they risk being driven into sea and destroyed. Whcih in the end how can you have a map that takes place after the events of that map? When the Marines are practically gone.

Basically it would be like if the D-Day invasion failed because the Germans won an online battle. Then theres really no need for the battle of the bulge, or carentan etc. But thats just the way I see it.

well, i dont mean the results of battles, just the overall war, i think that putting maps in sequential order is a good thing and there needs to be mini-stories to link those together. i just think giving the entire game an ending may not be a great idea.

for example if PR were to post a story on the webpage, i think it would be better to see a story that either leads up to the war or at most gets as far as showing how different countries got involved in the conflict and just leave the fighting up to the players.

Maybe as a sort of side attraction to the PR mod would be a weekly/monthly article that reads maybe like a newspaper article or a newscast that eventually gets to telling how the war ends. this would help to link the battles together.

just a thought

Interesting. I know Total-War does that newspaper thing from time to time. Anyhow I can see your points. Perhaps if and when this mods reaches its end, it could create the finishing map with the last battle of this conflict or something.

It just seems to me that maps really need to have some sort of connection with the general storyline in order to actually have some sort of atmoshpere to it. For instance a map with perhaps the Beijiing would tell how the U.S/U.K forces got that far, and the costs of losing and benefits of winning the battle. But I guess you really don't have to close it or anything.

I guess you could leave an open question, such as "U.S forces have a planned operation for attacking Yemen. If it should fail, the U.S will have to resist numerous bombardments from airfields scattereted all of the country etc." But it won't really tell you who wins the battle. Assuming that is what your talking about.

yeah, sort of like that, i like the idea of a finishing map, imagine fighting in tiannmen (spelling?) square? that would be pretty cool. i definitly agree that linking stories are something that you need to have.

btw i think its creepy how closely we were thinking, i had a few of the same ideas.

Then we've come to an agreement. Anyhow I'm still looking for any advice to the current plot I set up. Feel free to comment on it, wherther it be a negative response or a positive response.

But to get back on topic, these are some possible armies that my storyline could open up.

-Israel
-Japan
-Taiwan

id love to see those guys in there, how about adding russia? i think that they would be a nice target for china, they have huge oil prospects in siberia waiting to be tapped into, maybe china decides somewhere in the story line it doesnt have to support the MEC (maybe they have a weapons for oil deal and they decide taking siberia would be easier) and charge into russia. this could bring in an international defence force and include canadians, germans, any other europeans. this would open up more winter type maps, of course youd get a few in korea also. as far as israel, they fit in by being targets of the MEC, taiwan is a target of china, since theyve always wanted control of that, and japan as you said can be another target of china or maybe even an ally, and they launch another conquest into the pacific.

just a few more thoughts

terranova i think we could get a damn good story going for this mod.

Would it be possible to create a siberian map? with high pitched winds howling constantly, drowning out the sound of gunfire, and harsh russian snow storms? I mean, the idea is wonderful, especially if we could get some of that sun reflective snow.

i bet the sound of wind can be put in, maybe not the effects though, as far as snow goes ive seen it done in Forgotten Hope but not on the scale of a blizzard... i guess really that question is left up to devs (i think i actually read a post on this but i forget what was said ops: ) but as far as a map that looks like siberia im sure it can be put in, maybe reflective snow (again a question ultimately for the devs)

I doubt too many countries would be interested in Russia's oil. Most of that oil is under alot of ice, and the frigid conditions in Siberia make it extremely difficult. Russia really doesn't make that much money off of it because extracting the oil is way too expenisve.

On a side note it would also be difficult for any army to advance across that tundra. Theres so much invloved in it. Russia really does get bad winter weather. Both Napolean and Hitler felt it when they tried to take over Russia. Other than that a war for Russia would probably criple its already struggling economy.

Only way I can see them entering the war is if a hostile country decided to attack Russia, or perhaps Russia wanted some middle-eastern oil wells also. Another thing you have to consider is that the MEC and Russia would have alot of similar equipment.

this is true but desperate times do call for desperate measures, oil is running out pretty fast around the world and russia doesnt have the military it used to. for china to advance and try to hold the oil fields may seem easier to china with the US and Britsh forces tied up in the middle east and southeast asia. as a contry dependent on other nations for oil china would want their own large supply of oil, even if it took time and money to start drilling for.

But you also have ot consider Russia's response to an invasion on their homeland. Russia still has thousands upon thousands of tanks in their arsenal, China's military is still growing up to modern standards. Also note that Russia and China do have a few agreements, such as Russia exports some fighters to China from time to time (Such as the Su-30).

Not to mention during a time of war it would cause even more problems if the Chinese tried to get oil wells operational. Russian forces may just destroy whatever derricks and depots are operational within Siberia to prevent Chinese forces from claiming them.

On another note if Russia begins losing... they may just consider using weapons of mass destruction.

Remeber we can't have too many armies aka vehicles player models for PR to make.

Wouldn't it make sense if the Russians tried to invade Afganistan again? Especially if it was to aid the Chinese against the MEC's?

yeah that would make sense. that could be a good way of putting in the russians.

hey if anyones interested in a jungle combat story line i got an idea posted on the jungle warfare topic, check it out

waffenbaum wrote:Wouldn't it make sense if the Russians tried to invade Afganistan again? Especially if it was to aid the Chinese against the MEC's?

Since when was China against the MEC?

Not only that but it would make no sense for the MEC and Russia to be enemies if Russia is exporting all their weapons to them. Not to mention U.S and Russian relations would go up in flames if Russia invaded Afghanistan considering the fact that America is already trying to rebuild that country. And I don't people are looking for another Russia v.s United States modification.

good call terranova, i think that if the russians are gunna be put in as a military it would be AGAINST the chinese more than anything else, if this really is a WWIII type situation russia gaining a seat in the EU would pit them against china, rather than with them.

at the same time i think the way for the chinese and MEC to become allies would be to have russia stop supporting the MEC (as terranova described) and the MEC and chinese work out on oil for weapons deal, and china going into russia is still i think a good idea as far as gaining oil reserves for the future, since the chinese see that the MEC isnt going to hold its own they figure they have a few years until their stockpiles run out, and in that time they can get the russian oil flowing. as far as china destroying the derricks in siberia, my question is what dericks? as you said the oil is burried under loads of ice, but still i think a tempting target for the oil starved chinese.

and as far as WMDs go, china has them too, if russia were to use theirs, theyd get smashed by china's WMDs right back, thats why large countries would never use WMDs against another one, terrorists are a different story. also if russia did launch those weapons at the troops in the field theyd destroy their oil supplies, assuming the WMDs are nukes.

just a few more thoughts.

Russia does extract oil from siberia. Its just costly. Its like earning 5 dollars and having to pay 4 dollars on taxes or something. Its not impossible to extract oil from ice and all that good stuff, just really difficult. It would also be a larger mistake for the Chinese if they invaded Russia, for one they would establish a new front (The Northern Front Perhaps?). At the same time they might have to deal with U.K and U.S forces assaulting the western border and/or eastern coast.

I always thought establishing several fronts was a bad idea. If you ask me Hitler could have gotten a whole lot farther if he didn't attack the Soviet Union (Although thankfully he didn't). On another note if Russia decided to join EU I doubt its really going to make China angry. As far as I know EU doesn't really have a problem with China. Unless Russia joined NATO then maybe they might become unfriendly with China.

Anyhow to tell the truth I don't really care if China invades Russia or not from the storyline perspective. I'm just pointing out that if China invades the Russian tundra, it may turn out to be their biggest mistake in the conflict. Probably might cost them the war.