Knives for pilot kits?

[Matri]

Mp5 Would Be The Pilot Primery Weapon And A Knife As The Thread Said Becuse The Pistole IsNot Helping Withe Short Mag

[titsmcgee852]

Then why not just make a more user friendly selection.



This break it into to columns that should you what if you for what you click with the basic different in either words or pictures. You don't really need a picture to say "This is what the word right next to me says it is" use the pictures to show the man differences.

For example the sniper that I did, left click gets you a scope, right click no scope. For plane and helicopter just put two different logs etc.

Honestly if it were set up like that it would be self explanatory.

This is such a good idea. It took me ages to even figure out that right clicking would give you different kits, and I'm always curious to see whether there is an alternative gun I can choose when I'm choosing a kit.

[MADsqirrel]

I agree, but keep in mind that we are playing PR here. Carefully choosing kits should be standard not just rush to the chopper click-click and jump in. Those 3 extra seconds wont kill anybody.

How often did you request the wrong kit accidentally?
It happens even to my from time to time and especialy when there are changes to the kits, you will often pick the wrong one. For example i still see SL getting a crewman to dig a FOB, while they could get a rifleman without problems. When i ask them why the did that i hear "Because i always do!" 40% of the time and "What? You can request a rifleman?" 60% of the time.
(the point with rifleman>crewman is that it always is better to have a kit with ammo lying around while a crewman kit is not usefull at all.)

[BloodyDeed]

Adding knifes seems reasonable for me.
Making a second kit doesn't. Lets not overcomplicate things.

[kangaroo]

Great to see the discussion going I agree with the no SMG thing, but another pistol mag or 2 couldn't be that bad. And I frequently use knives in PR it has a 50/50 chance of making someone unrevivable is relatively silent and doesn't run out of ammo, also if someone sees you sometimes they pull out a knife aswell and its game on >.<

[Bob_Marley]

I'm not particularly knowledgeable on the subject, but it does seem that air crew are issued with both escape knives (though these are rather old hat now and seem to be getting replaced with what I'd call a line cutter) and survival knives. It seems US troops are issued with the Aircrew Survival Egress Knife (or ASEK) and its accompanying line cutter:



The USAF is apparently still issuing the WWII vintage knife the ASEK replaced in the Army (no idea on escape knife or line cutter, sorry folks)

The RAF certainly used to issue (and may still do so, I'm not sure) the Aircrew Release Knife:



And this may or may not be accompanied by the MOD survival knife:



So I guess that, yeah, pilots do carry knives but they are not really intended for fighting people. According to what I read about the American knives they're not really designed as survival knives as one might know them, but rather for hacking one's way out of an aircraft fuselage.

[Matri]

ok then if u guys dont want any SMG How About Adding And Extra Clip Or 2 ? That Should Do It

[rPoXoTauJIo]

Pilots in pr should be just a pilots.
If you will add something at their kits that can kill people effective, i promise that you will see pilots paradropzzz on fobs\buildings\etc..., killing random players, and grabbing their guns.
Is it reality?

[Mikemonster]

Who cares? I can't believe that this garners so much excited debate yet other glaring things go un-noticed.

How often do people even survive a crash in PR? And even then, how often do they ever see an enemy, let alone have to fight one.

Ironically we'll see a 'realism' argument soon, as often crops up in these circumstances.

[Heavy Death]

How often did you request the wrong kit accidentally?
It happens even to my from time to time and especialy when there are changes to the kits, you will often pick the wrong one. For example i still see SL getting a crewman to dig a FOB, while they could get a rifleman without problems. When i ask them why the did that i hear "Because i always do!" 40% of the time and "What? You can request a rifleman?" 60% of the time.
(the point with rifleman>crewman is that it always is better to have a kit with ammo lying around while a crewman kit is not usefull at all.)

I do fail miserably once in a while and its only me to blame, clicking too fast.

[Truism]

I vividly remember all my forced bailouts. I remember once bailing out of a SU25 in 0.7 or 0.8 into a full blown combined arms battle over a mostly reduced north village. I ran out of flares mid run and got a clear lock, the mec jets had hilariously delayed lock sounds at the time so I knew a missile was probably already on the way. Clutch bail at about 300 feet rising hard out of the run, plane shot ahead past me and the missile whipped straight up in the air (idk how lock mechanics work) and I pulled my shoot as soon as I stopped going up. I went to deck near an isolated US roflman, who i dispatched with my pistol, relieved him of his kit and went prone in a small patch of dead ground about 100m from the dead guy until our attack faltered and the enemy armour moved on, then I observed a new fob go up, the builders moved on. I killed a spawning officer and an aa gunner, destroyed the fob and moved into the hills over bunkers until I was able to join the counter attack on north bunker and join an infantry squad.

Tell me that was a bad thing.

[Mikemonster]

Pretty realistic, all said and done.

[Eddie Baker]

The USAF is apparently still issuing the WWII vintage knife the ASEK replaced in the Army (no idea on escape knife or line cutter, sorry folks)

The Pilot Survival Knife (actually late 50s design) is/was issued to both USAF pilots and US Naval Aviators. Current manufacturing contractor is Ontario Knife Company.



It's a misnomer, as in Vietnam you didn't have to be a pilot or aircrew to get issued one and government contract manufactured models were available at the PX for purchase. According to some sources it was actually the most common knife in use in Vietnam by US and ARVN troops. Photo is of Army SF Son Tay Raiders:



The current "line cutter" is the Colonial M724 (manufacturer's model number, not a military designation) version of the MC-1 "Knife, Flyer's, Pocket" (that has been around almost as long as the PSK. It's sometimes also called a "rigger's knife."



The older manufactured MC-1s are still in inventory.

[BloodyDeed]

It's a realistic suggestion and therefore I've added knives to pilots for 1.0.
Thank's for your effort, guys.

[Hotrod525]

It's a realistic suggestion and therefore I've added knives to pilots for 1.0.
Thank's for your effort, guys.

Ho.. and what about that Carbine as Alternate kit ?

[Rhino]

As said before, we are not going to split up fixed and rotary winged pilot kits, at least not for now, due to confusion for players with little benefit.

[mangeface]

Yes it is somewhat common for Chopper pilots to have an SMG afaik (at least with US forces, dunno about others)

US helo pilots and crew chiefs have M9s and M4s.

[Hunt3r]

Either way, knives are really helpful in PR. I've made multiple knife kills because it seems that most everyone doesn't have any sort of situational awareness.

[maniac1031]

Pilots in pr should be just a pilots.
If you will add something at their kits that can kill people effective, i promise that you will see pilots paradropzzz on fobs\buildings\etc..., killing random players, and grabbing their guns.
Is it reality?

Do you really think some one would waste a chopper or jet doing that?

[Truism]

Wow. Are you joking?

You fill a chopper with pilots who parachute onto the fob. The chopper isn't really wasted. It undertakes less risk than most missions with choppers in PR.