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I think that the players that want to keep the current system should present better argumentation than a witch hunt or distrust of pubbies as a reason to lonewolf (based on a personal interpretation of where he ranks skill wise).

If you are the players that often use this kit, then you're burying your case even further.

These suggested limitations makes it harder to lonewolf with a sniper kit but ALSO incentive to work with whoever is using the spotter kit (it was, after all, created for a reason).
What is the drama?

Arcturus_Shielder wrote:I think that the players that want to keep the current system should present better argumentation than a witch hunt or distrust of pubbies as a reason to lonewolf (based on a personal interpretation of where he ranks skill wise).

If you are the players that often use this kit, then you're burying your case even further.

These suggested limitations makes it harder to lonewolf with a sniper kit but ALSO incentive to work with whoever is using the spotter kit (it was, after all, created for a reason).
What is the drama?

You clearly didn't pay attention to the comments in this thread.


Everybody keeps saying "harder to lonewolf with the sniper kit". Why is such a big deal? It's not 6 guys going on their own vendetta. What is the drama all about?
JESUS CHRIST THAT SNIPER GUY IS ALONE! He has 20 kills, no deaths and has marked several cache locations... What a lone-wolfing prick.

Right now, you have a choice. Either go solo or have a spotter. I don't see any problem here. The sniper kit isn't the ultimate role that destroys tanks, infantry, helis and jets with a blink of an eye. Yet, everyone has their panties in a bunch.

I seriously give up. A suggestion endorsed by those, who I suspect, haven't even used the sniper kit, let alone used it with a spotter.

pointlessly restrictive. For example, the sniper kit can operate as a squad marksman that is more accurate than a marksman proper, but doing this would be convoluted and waste a spotter kit. Another issue would be that the spotter kit doesnt necessarily need be with a sniper, meaning that you could want to use a sniper kit properly, but simply couldnt because a spotter isnt available to be requested. A sniper that has for example, a medic with him for healing, and security, or an officer which has all the tools of the spotter but lacking a rope which has limited use on a number of maps could potentially not be able to operate, which is stupid.

Being by yourself with the sniper kit is a gross misuse because it's impossible to be efficient when you basically cant defend yourself, and now, lack any means of healing yourself entirely, but it doesn't happen often enough for me to care that much. It's actually great fun to get shot at by a sniper, and kill him with pure impunity because you know all he has is a little pistol against your fully automatic rifle, then to taunt him for being a scrub.

I do see a problem with people requesting spotter kits, then just dropping them after their teammate gets the sniper. However I really hope we can find other ways to make the sniper kit a little more valuable, I'm tired of seeing lonewolfers stealing it and running off into the horizon only to get shot immediately.

And what if I want to use the Spotter kit instead of the Officer kit while running a CAS squad? That rope comes in handy for getting to places on Black Gold that is relatively safe from enemy inf.

Why don't we just make a Sniper account type, by emailing EA and asking them?

The Sniper game-account should be able to have access to more guns than the regular account (so he can have a .50 cal), as well as only having the option to spawn as Sniper or Medic (in case he's 'spotting' for his friend who beat him at the toss for the Sniper kit).

This could actually be expanded to CAS types, in this case they would always spawn with a CAS helo, however could also only spawn with Pilot kit.

What we could then do is have servers dedicated to these account types, so they could play amongst their own kind, free of requests or potential obligations to the rest of the people on their team.

Mind you, if we did that the snipers would have nobody to Spot For The Team™, and the CAS squads wouldn't have any targets apart from 16 enemy snipers and 16 enemy medics in pairs on each hill, shooting at each other from behind the crest.

I think i've talked myself out of this actually.. Despite the fact that in that circumstance people who aren't CAS or sniper whores would have quite a nice game without them.

Next suggestion - Being able to put names on sniper rifles in game so it's easier for a sniper to go back to get 'his' kit when he gets killed..

Nice idea but I fear sniper squads will have have to act outside the boundaries of the squad system in 1.0 because of the lack of available squads.

I am for less restrictions - let the players decide what things mean to them. Don't mould them into what you perceive to be right.

Snipers get ragged on all the time - but I think they have a place to play on the PR battlefield.

SamEEE wrote:Nice idea but I fear sniper squads will have have to act outside the boundaries of the squad system in 1.0 because of the lack of available squads.

I am for less restrictions - let the players decide what things mean to them. Don't mould them into what you perceive to be right.

Snipers get ragged on all the time - but I think they have a place to play on the PR battlefield.

Very good point, but i think good option would be for snipers to join cas squads, because they aren't really that numerous. That would make other squads free for inf and other stuff

And seriously everyone who is against that spotter sniper solution is just ridiculing himself. Like someone mentioned before, its like fighting for the one-man tank crew. Absolutely ridiculous.

qubolo wrote: And seriously everyone who is against that spotter sniper solution is just ridiculing himself. Like someone mentioned before, its like fighting for the one-man tank crew. Absolutely ridiculous.

You are ridiculing yourself by avoiding to tackle any points raised in this thread and, instead, choose to discredit, albeit poorly, those who are against this and/or see the possible problems that will surface once this suggestion is implemented.

I dont really want to argue in this thread, but one of the devs once said that snipers are supposedly kept ingame because of their good will, otherwise a sniper rifle falls out of the PR universe, like special forces.

So, removing the damn kit would solve all the arguments. Those who play PR because its PR would stay, those shou want snipe action would go. Simples.

Tbh, I often work better alone as a sniper - also, in real combat situations where snipers are used, I'm sure that more than 32/50 soldiers are used on one side. An extra spotter also means one less transport pilot, or one less AR/Medic.

That being said, sometimes a spotter could be great and some times a sniper in a whole squad could work well. My point is that restricting things in this game will lead to imperfect solutions because of the restrictions. Let people try out their own methods instead of only giving them one. PR has more to it than just public rounds.

Oh for Christ Sakes don't that! That would completelly ruin the game for playes who really like to use the sniper. I often play as a sniper in regular squads and often get compliments for supporting the squad efectivelly. Besides, it's very difficult to find another player willing to play as a spotter since spoting can be really boring. So, most times the only solution is playing as a lone wolf or playing in a normal squad. In both cases I do my best to help the team spotting and providing intel. Making it IMPOSSIBLE to issue the sniper unless you have a spotter in your squad would ruin the game completelly to me, since i almost only play as a sniper. I like having control over the game, i don't like the game to have control over me with a bunch of rules. This is really frustrating. The only restrictions i want to have in a game are those imposed by team work and mutual respect.

Tolstoievski wrote:The only restrictions i want to have in a game are those imposed by team work and mutual respect.

Or unique server rules.... (You don't have to change everything for everybody)

PoisonBill wrote:Or unique server rules.... (You don't have to change everything for everybody)

Or, what you said indeed. Let the normal servers have freemode derping, if a more mature server decides that snipers in conjuction with spotters ought to be mandatory, they shall state so in the rules.

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Tolstoievski wrote:I like having control over the game, i don't like the game to have control over me with a bunch of rules.

There have always been kit restrictions and so far we have lived up to them. If anything, it's essential for the PR experience.

Some of the reactions are pretty childish. This about common sense of pairing the recently created Spotter kit with the Sniper one. It's about fighting an ongoing problem of lonewolf and kit stealing that only the ones living in denial will disagree.

Regarding to the ones who claim they play better on their own, if your game experience is going to be ruined by WORKING side by side with someone else, then how can you possibly call yourself a TW minded player?

Join the CAS squad if you think there is an issue regarding the nr of inf squads. I am pretty sure there aren't 4 attack choppers in any map.

Those who want to work in an inf squad can easily circumvent the issue by asking of his squadmates to request a Spotter to unblock it.

There will always be flaws to any system. But the point of this measure is to make it more difficult to request said kit and it will certainly dissuade less tw minded behavior.

That's the point of this thread. But for some reason those that disagree give a lot of emphasis to the part of where they feel better playing on their own. If such behavior is not tolerated in other roles, what makes you think that you should have free card on this?

The kit no longer has GLTD making it one less reason (and a big one) to go on your own. Get a grip and stop with the childish excuses.

Afaik the spotter kit is limited.
Maybe an inf squad will grab a spotter kit and then the recon squad wouldnt be able to get a spotter kit and therefor not a sniper kit.
By killing one problem your probably create another one.

Heavy Death wrote:Or, what you said indeed. Let the normal servers have freemode derping, if a more mature server decides that snipers in conjunction with spotters ought to be mandatory, they shall state so in the rules.

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This solution inevitably leads to every player in the game joining 24/7-muttrah-no-teamplay everyone running in their own direction, and squads are made solely for the kits server. because it would be "more fun" there, and legitimate servers would be left with 20 players constantly trying to seed.(this problem was quite real with actual 24/7 muttrah server) Come on guys this is PR! You don't give a choice to non team-players, you just slam their asses with rules and restrictions!

The spotter kit is limited like the sniper kit, as it is today.

My suggestion was to make the spotter kit a SL-spawn-able only kit (taking up the SL alt room), which means that it is unlimited but only a SL can select and spawn with it and only if he has someone else in his squad. It has a radio so why should anyone that is not a SL be using this kit anyway?

This would also prevent the good Samaritan from grabbing a spotter kit just to waste it a second later so someone pleading for a sniper kit could get it.

The work that has been put into creating the spotter kit is kinda undone if the opposite is made and letting lone-wolfs able to request a sniper, so id hate to see that happen.

I'm leaning more towards restriction of the sniper kit than total removal of it.


All of those who say they work better alone, I would say that of-course you work better alone you only have 1 variable and the enemy's which is much easier to handle than 7 variables and the enemy..... after-all 99.9% of us are not women so we don't multitask very well .

The problem with working alone is that that is the last thing PR is designed for and your team won't benefit at all from it (even if you have a kd of 50/0, which your unlikely to have since noone is backing you up and the medics will get players healed)

Very few times a sniper is beneficial for an inf squad, unless if your squad is static most of the time and even then a marksman or AR does a better job. A sniper has to be so far away from his squad that he won't attract attention to himself, but at the same time he cannot contribute to helping his squad-mates which makes him a 1 handed, 1 legged warrior.

last thing is that some people claim that people are wasted on spotting and could be doing more important things like being medic or ar etc. Well there are 2 sniper kit's which means there will be 2 spotters, who would give the sniper double the awareness and double the survivability and most likely double the kills. I can't see what is being wasted there.

We need to see more sniper-spotter action like this unfortunately these guys got the situational awareness of a dead horse and got trolled.

qubolo wrote:Come on guys this is PR! You don't give a choice to non team-players, you just slam their asses with rules and restrictions!

This is why we need to implemet this, ASAP.

How about once you go further than 50m away from a SM you get kicked from the server?

Fucking brilliant, eh.

Arcturus_Shielder wrote:It's about fighting an ongoing problem of lonewolf and kit stealing that only the ones living in denial will disagree.

Yes, because 2 snipers lone-wolfing is such a huge problem in PR. Teams lose all the time because of those ********. We have to fight a solution to this problems and in the mean time, let's completely forget about the rampant admin abuse, squads made purely for kit requesting, broken game mechanics etc. The "lone-wolf" problem is the single biggest threat to PR. It's also the single most detrimental problem we are facing in PR. PLEASE, THINK FOR THE CHILDREN AND PLEASE LETS MAKE EVEN MORE POINTLESS RESTRICTIONS! So in the end of the day, we can proudly chant - HURAAAY WE HAVE OVERCOME THE BIGGEST ISSUE CONCERNING PR!

Souls Of Mischief wrote: Yes, because 2 snipers lone-wolfing is such a huge problem in PR. Teams lose all the time because of those ********. We have to fight a solution to this problems and in the mean time, let's completely forget about the rampant admin abuse, squads made purely for kit requesting, broken game mechanics etc. The "lone-wolf" problem is the single biggest threat to PR. It's also the single most detrimental problem we are facing in PR. PLEASE, THINK FOR THE CHILDREN AND PLEASE LETS MAKE EVEN MORE POINTLESS RESTRICTIONS! So in the end of the day, we can proudly chant - HURAAAY WE HAVE OVERCOME THE BIGGEST ISSUE CONCERNING PR!

Now if your done with your rant!!....

I don't think anyone here thinks this is a big issue, but it is something that calls for optimizing, so why not address any issue, or is there a hidden issue importance list that I didn't notice on the billboards?