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SVD and g3 use russian long (7.62 NATO) as do g3s so no problem with logistics if the MEC have an SVD as well.

and WHY DOES EVERYONE LOVE THE AK101?????

I love the G3 because it PWNS the ak101 has a crappy 5.56mm round and ak47 inaccuracy!

Embrace the G3 please!

7.62 Russian Long isn't the same as 7.62 NATO.

7.62×51 NATO

7.62×54R

Maybe the SVD can use 7.62 NATO. We'll wait for Bob Marley to come jamming with that information.

The SVD is .30 Russian Long. The closest thing that takes 7.62 NATO is the Zastava M76. (7.92 Mauser/7.62R/7.62 NATO).

Mekstizzle wrote:7.62 Russian Long isn't the same as 7.62 NATO.

7.62×51 NATO

7.62×54R

Maybe the SVD can use 7.62 NATO. We'll wait for Bob Marley to come jamming with that information.

Absolutely correct! The G3 and SVD are incompatible ammuntion wise.

And the MEC marksmen will be getting G3SG/1s, which are more mechanically accurate, have a higher powered scope and a larger magazine than the SVD, as well as having full auto. Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me!

sounds like the second full aut marksman after the british one

sounds like awesome

the m14 also has full auto in some models iirc

$kelet0r wrote:the m14 also has full auto in some models iirc

That's correct, in fact the base M14 is selective fire. The M14 National Match rifle, the basis for the designated marksman versions of the weapons (Army M21, Army/Navy M25 and USMC DMR), is semi-automatic only.

oh no, i like it when optics are off, don't do it to all of the classes. like you did with the british please!

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker']That's correct, in fact the base M14 is selective fire. The M14 National Match rifle, the basis for the designated marksman versions of the weapons (Army M21, Army/Navy M25 and USMC DMR), is semi-automatic only.

First post, I'm just so happy to see a game involving guns where the designers know what they're talking about.

He's the only one that does Welcome to the forums

'[R-MOD wrote:eddie']He's the only one that does Welcome to the forums

But that's not important. Because he knows everything, ever.

Seriously , I dont understand why DEV's are trying to arm MEC's with H&K only . Armyes don't use weapons from only one brand ... and not only one caliber , US uses atleast 3 ( without SMG's & pistols ) - 7.62NATO , .223 , .50 .. why MEC's arent supposed to use .223 , 7.62NATO , 7.62R & 14.5 ?

p/s am I missing something ? MEC are still so called Middle Eastern Coalition , or they are now Iran only ? Even though Iran MF ( and almost every middle eastern country ) are armed with huge number of PKM's , SVD's , AKM's which aren't used ( or are going to leave ) by MEC in PR ...

Here we go again...

MEC is a Middle Eastern Coalition. In the future. With lots of money. They don't have to use AK's because they're cheap. They don't have to use AKs etc. because most countries in the ME are armed with them these days.

Yes, the US does use different calibres, so what? .223 for almost ALL weapons. Just like the MEC uses 7.62 for almost ALL weapons. 7.62s and .50s aren't standard issue for most average grunts in the US.

STANDARDIZATION. You want to use as few different calibres as possible for logistic purposes. 7.62 NATO for assault rifles/LMGs/DMRs (although the current DMR is the SVD and does not use NATO rounds). Their sniper rifle is 7.62 NATO as well, I think? Then you have the 5.56 NATO Spec Ops weapon that I myself hope will be replaced. The 7.62 is a versatile round, accurate and packs a punch. Why not use it?

There, with that said, THE G3 IS HERE TO STAY!

KP wrote: MEC is a Middle Eastern Coalition. In the future. With lots of money. They don't have to use AK's because they're cheap. They don't have to use AKs etc. because most countries in the ME are armed with them these days.

Cheap doesn't mean **** . Think of it . Just to point you a bit - Mr.Kalashnikov doesn't earned millions as Eugene Stoner or any other gun creator did , because he created his AK in communist country . USSR\Russia doesn't need to pay for lisence , USSR hadn't payed enough payment for factory workers..
Also , I thought that MEC coalition small arms arsenal should be based on what they are having now ...

KP wrote:Yes, the US does use different calibres, so what? .223 for almost ALL weapons. Just like the MEC uses 7.62 for almost ALL weapons. 7.62s and .50s aren't standard issue for most average grunts in the US.

STANDARDIZATION. You want to use as few different calibres as possible for logistic purposes. 7.62 NATO for assault rifles/LMGs/DMRs (although the current DMR is the SVD and does not use NATO rounds). Their sniper rifle is 7.62 NATO as well, I think? Then you have the 5.56 NATO Spec Ops weapon that I myself hope will be replaced. The 7.62 is a versatile round, accurate and packs a punch. Why not use it?

Why do you think .223 was created ? Maybe because .308 is too heavy for full auto assault rifles ? 7.62x39 'short' is exellent choice because of lover recoil but higher power then .223 ... well ok , even speaking of .223 and 5.45 ... MEC may carry something which comes in those calibers .
IMO , .308 WIN , if fired from AR's , is step back .

KP wrote:THE G3 IS HERE TO STAY!

As I said once , i dont see anything wrong , I just don't understand why :
a) G3
b) only G3A3
The same way they may choose SIG 550 , Steyr AUG , H&K G36 , FN FAL or whatever ...

p/s yes I'm bit AK lover ops:

Longbow, this argument happened months ago ... and you missed it.

The conclusion was that while many would have been much happier having a Russian armed MEC, the G3 was a somewhat plausible option and it added to the game.
Nothing you say will change it.

The insurgents have AKs and will continue to do so

Longbow* wrote: As I said once , i dont see anything wrong , I just don't understand why :
a) G3
b) only G3A3
The same way they may choose SIG 550 , Steyr AUG , H&K G36 , FN FAL or whatever ...

p/s yes I'm bit AK lover ops:

I won't argue on your points, because you're absolutely right. The AK is not ****, nor have I ever said it was. But IMO, the G3 is a weapon better suited for the MEC.

As for the G3A3 only, that's going to change with the introduction of scoped G3s as well as ones with UGLs. Hopefully we'll see a G3KA4 around for Spec Ops and possibly crewmen.

And I'm a bit of a G3 lover deep, deep down somewhere. Maybe it's because the Norwegian Army uses them...

$kelet0r wrote:Longbow, this argument happened months ago ...

Yep , I'm new to the forums and the mod itself . Thx , you cleared the situation for me ..

p/s maybe it will be possible to pick up AK-101 as an alternative weapon for MEC SF or Grenadier... if DEV's will force unlock sistem to work for PR needs ... atleast I hope

KP wrote:But IMO, the G3 is a weapon better suited for the MEC.

I may argue with it , and I may possibly be right in my opinion(s) , but as Skeletor said it was already discussed and G3 was adopted. So I won't ..

KP wrote:And I'm a bit of a G3 lover deep

Now I understand AK lover vs G3 lover ^_^

p/p/s a question for DEV's or anyone who who can answer it :

1) why not to leave SVD ? It is sniper rifle , and sniper rifles usualy come in different then army's AR calibers .
2) why not to give MEC support PKM ? MEC , according to G3's , are based on Iran\Pakistan\Saudi Arabia armys . Atleast one of them use PKM ( not sure about two other ) The problem with logistics will be solved - MEC AR's will use one kind of round while MEC DMR & GPMG will use other rounds .. just like US ones .

iran use rpks , i would love to see some of them

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:iran use rpks , i would love to see some of them

Common rpk ammo feed is 45 round mags , not 75 round drum . Drum mags for rpk\AK are very rare due to **** reliability . So i seriosly dont see any reason to add them ... it will bejust like L86 , but without SUSAT and with +15 rounds per mag..