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PRC_Heavy_Z wrote: BTW its kind of weird that the L85s seems to have almost no recoil effect in this game...

No L85 has as high recoil as M16 (if not even higher) and scoped version has higher recoil than M4 despite the lower rate of fire.

Revert to 0.3!

Recoil does not affect you if you single shot and work the mouse properly. Auto is good for CQB and then you have a bigger target.

The only gun with too much recoil is the SAW.

Jonathan_Archer_nx01 wrote:No, not at all, 3 shots = 1 burst

Correct, but he's trying to say that you need to fire 2 bursts to get that 4th shot out, since I don't think it's gonna come with just one. However, I don't think it takes 4 shots to kill with an M16 in this game... 2-3 maybe. Well, that's just what I've experienced.

Mr.Whitlow wrote:Correct, but he's trying to say that you need to fire 2 bursts to get that 4th shot out, since I don't think it's gonna come with just one. However, I don't think it takes 4 shots to kill with an M16 in this game... 2-3 maybe. Well, that's just what I've experienced.

Yes, that's what i was meaning. You have to fire 2 bursts to get 4 rounds out the barrel. 2-3 shots on a unarmoured target, but it takes 4 with full body armour.

TII wrote:Yes, that's what i was meaning. You have to fire 2 bursts to get 4 rounds out the barrel. 2-3 shots on a unarmoured target, but it takes 4 with full body armour.

wrong again,
2 shots to unramored target
3 shots to armored target
to bring them down

Clypp wrote:Revert to 0.3!

Recoil does not affect you if you single shot and work the mouse properly. Auto is good for CQB and then you have a bigger target.

The only gun with too much recoil is the SAW.

Eh?
I would say Machine guns are just fine and balanced.
Saw has higher rate of fire than HK21.
HK21 has higher recoil that really feels like 7.62 (for MG).

M16 should be a piece of shit for close quarter combat, watch videos of the US fighting in cities over in habib land, if they dont have a shotgun they pick up an AK, big rounds=destruction. recoil is not to high its fine.

Sneak Attack wrote:M16 should be a piece of shit for close quarter combat, watch videos of the US fighting in cities over in habib land, if they dont have a shotgun they pick up an AK, big rounds=destruction. recoil is not to high its fine.

if you dont like the m16 for close combat then just pick up an ak like the troops you just mentioned ....

Jonathan_Archer_nx01 wrote:wrong again,
2 shots to unramored target
3 shots to armored target
to bring them down

Yep, you're right, just checked in single player. Guess it was changed from previous versions or I've misread on here.


Point still stands though, the M16 sucks up close but you get called a n00b if you use the M4. With the G3 1 shot and you're bleeding, two you're dead. Doesn't take long on full auto.

TII wrote:Yep, you're right, just checked in single player. Guess it was changed from previous versions or I've misread on here.


Point still stands though, the M16 sucks up close but you get called a n00b if you use the M4. With the G3 1 shot and you're bleeding, two you're dead. Doesn't take long on full auto.

yes, except for you are not bleending after 1 hit when carrying body armor.

YES, the m16 has the WORST recoil out of all the rifles by far..and they don't even get a scope or full auto...huge disadvantage. Even the singleshot of the m16 is very bad compared to the other rifles, hell its easier to full auto control the G3 than it is to single shot the m16.

Sneak Attack wrote:M16 should be a piece of shit for close quarter combat, watch videos of the US fighting in cities over in habib land, if they dont have a shotgun they pick up an AK, big rounds=destruction. recoil is not to high its fine.

I use burst fire of M16 even at medium range, usually 1-2 bursts and the target is dead, it is something you can learn to control.
The only problem thick and ugly vanilla sight. The weapon itself is very accurate at distance but that horrible sight prevents player from aiming precisely.

Btw. I've seen some videos of US troops fighting in the buildings, they usually used their lovely Berreta though.

The reason the m16 is **** in CQB is it's too long, in real life it takes longer to turn and aim with a long rifle compared to the shorter m4. Hence why the m4 is the CQB weapon of the two.

Anyone who complains about people using the m4 really are **** heads.. it's the preferred weapon of nearly every professional NATO military unit in the world (ie non-regular army). So for a player to pick it, especially when a lot of PR is CQB, its just common sense.

For some reason everytime I look at total kills, the Chinese team always dominate British team


and US team usually too.

Strange, no reason the Chinese team should always dominate the British, what map was it? Some are balanced on ticket numbers rather than the map itself, for example British have more tickets to accomodate the difficulty of the map for them.

And I think the m16 is just poor at medium to short range so that doesn't suprise me.

However, they need to remove the burst mode from the Chinese weapons, as none of them support it in real life.

Quick over view of my opnion on main assault rifles.

M16- Accurate. I don' get why people say it isn't. Recoil needs reduced15-25%. Getting rid of its ability to CQB is rediculous. People can adapt. It isn't a Barret by the way.

AK - Awsome. Definitely my favorite weapon in game. Don't mess with it.

G3- Another fantastic weapon. At ranges full auto is a nightmare. But full auto doesn't mean you should hold down the trigger. This gun is the master of double tap. 20 rounds/2per shot? Hrmm. Heavy gun yes but still recoil is fairly good. Maybe a 10-15% increase to match its SVD like damage.

Type 95 - Weak. Especially the Carbine. Whoa. 4 rounds and still not dead is excessive. Also sounds like a Airsoft gun.

L85 series - Great addition. The sounds are awsome. Not too many complaints.

Doesn't matter how many bullets you use provided you can kill them before they kill you, I'd always take a type 95 or l85 over the other assault rifles and carbines in the game.

AK and G3 should beat you down quick. body armor should do anything to these bullets, they should go through like nothing. body armor would just make the bullet fly all goofy and tumble through the air (or your chest) and tumble is what will kill ya real quick.

id rather jack off with a hand full of treble hooks
then be seen using the M4/british version that is the exact same thing but different looking. all the losers use it and dive around corners/jump around with it.

zeroburrito wrote:YES, the m16 has the WORST recoil out of all the rifles by far..and they don't even get a scope or full auto...huge disadvantage. Even the singleshot of the m16 is very bad compared to the other rifles, hell its easier to full auto control the G3 than it is to single shot the m16.

Try aiming lower, moderating your shots, and steadily pull down while firing, the recoil characteristics are pretty accurate on the M16.

On the side note, where did they get their info on Type 95? During the PLA testings, the 5.8 rounds (type 95) were as powerful as the 5.56 (M16)

If you want to get technical, the 5.8s had a bit more stopping power, especially on soft targets, but slightly less muzzle velocity, other than that, the 5.56 and 5.8 were about the same.

Also, the type 95 is actually quite loud, especially from the perspective of the shooter because the round is going off about 15cm from his head. I’ll try to get hold of a recording and post it here if I could get one.

I have fired the M16A4 and M4A2 in the Army, must say the M16 has a decent kick where the M4 has little. My comment is on the SAW. I am preparing for a tour in Iraq ATM so I havent touched BF2 in almost 5 months so I am not sure how the stats are on that. I know that on Vanilla the recoil is sickening, Standing and kneeling yes, you couldnt hit air in a field but prone... I have been using a SAW in everything from Urban to Open Field combat for 6 months and I have not only experienced but I have seen that the shooter has ALOT of control over the weapon if he knows what he is doing. There is a little piece on the buttstock that folds up so you can place it above your shoulder while firing, add the bipod and you can nail a target at 600M pretty good with only 1-2 5 round bursts. I know that BF2 has Ironsights on it and I would like to see the M145 Optics scope added to it for a realistic touch. Basicaly a big ACOG with range markers.