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i have a quesetion, DONT WE HAVE RL MILITARY ADVISORS!!!

am i playing with statistics that doesnt match rl?

(rl=real life)

waylay00 wrote:What do you mean?

the animations when you pull up ironsights, bellow the sights, the gun is invisible

I aim with the M16, make a 'popsicle stick', the sights are the stick, and the head is the candy, then you wont miss

Teek wrote:the animations when you pull up ironsights, bellow the sights, the gun is invisible

I aim with the M16, make a 'popsicle stick', the sights are the stick, and the head is the candy, then you wont miss

Though if you try to aim far away, the giant sights make it hard to see your enemy, however other sights like the G3 or AK, its a bit easier.

Vicktor Vauhn wrote:Not saying your completely off base, but the guy in the video is also holding the gun still....you have to do that in the game too...

As you fire bring the aim downward, keeping the gun level...I would think that limply holding and m16 and firing away would end up with you looking above your target, same as in the game.

I'm sorry I really get no pleasure out of whining but I feel I need to clarify the issues here.

The problem with dragging the mouse is that it is not nearly as intuitive as holding a gun, It doesn't simulate how simple it is to fire a gun (I've fired an M-16 before and it is WAY easier than PR, and you can only do it as long as you don't run out of desk. The main problem is that the weapons are not realistic or balanced. One or the other please, just not neither!
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Pros of M-16 (RL)

5.56x45mm means higher rate of fire, less recoil, higher muzzle velocity meaning more accuracy. The lighter ammo means you can carry MORE of it (wink).

Cons of M-16(PR): 5.56 have little penetration, light stopping power, and in close combat thats not good.
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Pros of M-16 (PR)

it um looks. cool?

Cons(PR): Has HIGHER recoil than G3, and slightly higher than AK. Less damage with EQUAL accuracy. Rate of fire is not applicable because of the recoil. As for the QBZ-95, at range (100-200) I NEVER engage an angry china man if he sees me, even if I get a few early hits. I usually fire twice and get shot in the head. That ain't kosher.
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My point? The M-16 has gotten shafted. The gun seems to have ALL of its down sides (and then some), without any of its positive sides. If the 7.62 is as accurate as the 5.56, the why not use a 125mm machine gun? As far as PR is concerned, there isn't a difference. If the M-16 was even twice as good as in PR, the USMC would have abandoned it before Vietnam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11rDdh8Kcq4

Just to convince you of the accuracy for you of little faith (4:25-55)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4weIh3Mc6kU

And another thing to point out the fact that the M-16 was designed NOT to have recoil.

The difference in accuracy between a G3 and M16 at 100 yards is negligible. For that matter, the difference in accuracy between them at any in-game engagement range is negligible.

I don't really have a problem with the M16. I could see the recoil being lowered a little bit, but it's really not that difficult to put two-four shots on target.

Gotta say the G3 is pretty deadly, everyone complaining about the M16 benig shite isn't really shooting all that well. Yeah its not that great, but if you are a patient shooter then you can easily get headshots at a good distance. The only thing is, some other guns are equally good, but they have more killing power. So G3 is the easy choice for *** kicking, same recoil as M16 but more killing power...you can be deadly with any gun, but you gotta make those hits count. The better at the game I get, the more I favor the higher calibers...the recoil is about that same but they kill quicker. So if two guys, equal in everyway get in a shootout...then typically the higher caliber rifle wins. I used to hate the AK, now I love the thing. Its a big bullet with similar singleshot capabilities to other guns(once you get used to it) PLUS its insanely deadly in CQB. There isn't a penalty for getting shot first so you may as well have a bigger round. Soon things will change though and the guns will be modeled correctly...so who cares.

VipersGhost wrote:Gotta say the G3 is pretty deadly, everyone complaining about the M16 benig shite isn't really shooting all that well. Yeah its not that great, but if you are a patient shooter then you can easily get headshots at a good distance. The only thing is, some other guns are equally good, but they have more killing power. So G3 is the easy choice for *** kicking, same recoil as M16 but more killing power...you can be deadly with any gun, but you gotta make those hits count. The better at the game I get, the more I favor the higher calibers...the recoil is about that same but they kill quicker. So if two guys, equal in everyway get in a shootout...then typically the higher caliber rifle wins. I used to hate the AK, now I love the thing. Its a big bullet with similar singleshot capabilities to other guns(once you get used to it) PLUS its insanely deadly in CQB. There isn't a penalty for getting shot first so you may as well have a bigger round. Soon things will change though and the guns will be modeled correctly...so who cares.

I don't get it though, with the G3 I can take out targets at distance, I can't remember one time I've taken out a distant target with the M16.

The M16 blows in the game, full stop.

Poor accuracy, poor recoil, poor damage, poor everything, no wonder people spam the SF kits.

I have found that mouse sensitivity settings have helped me allot. I bought a Logitech G5 gaming mouse which has 5 DPI settings that you can adjust to what ever you like from 400 DPI (slow) to 2000 DPI (ultra fast) on the fly. I also adjusted the sampling rate of the mouse so that you get a cleaner movement from it. I also dulled down my sensitivity in the BF2 settings. I usually use a medium low sensitivity to allow smooth easy aiming but still be able to turn quickly. I will use the lowest setting on my mouse if sniping to allow very minute adjustments, I never use a fast setting for any gun.

The above changes allow me to be more effective with all the rifles. The only time I don't like the M16 is in CQC. At range in semi I find it very effective relative to the other weapons. The other weapons have the advantage of stopping power but the M16 is very accurate which helps outside of CQ. Oh and I am constantly switching from semi to burst if in close, I defualt to semi for most of the time.

M16 on single shot is almost as good as the M14. You can take out targets over ~150 meters while they are running.
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Ok maybe I didn't make my point. How it should be.

5.56 = Accurate, Longer range, less hitting, less recoil, less penetration, lighter= more ammo.

7.62 = Less accurate, less range, more recoil, more hitting power, more penetration, Heavier = less ammo.

In project reality, the G3 and AK all have EQUAL or LESS recoil. They have EQUAL ACCURACY, and MORE POWER. This doesn't even make sense. All of the advantages of a 5.56 in the 7.62 seems to defy all the laws of physics and gameplay combined. I can kill entire squads with the G3, but will be lucky to survive a shootout with a guy that I shot first with the M-16. Not realistic, not balanced, not fun.

I would have thought the 7.62 would have greater range than the 5.56.

caboose wrote:Ok maybe I didn't make my point. How it should be.

5.56 = Accurate, Longer range, less hitting, less recoil, less penetration, lighter= more ammo.

7.62 = Less accurate, less range, more recoil, more hitting power, more penetration, Heavier = less ammo.

In project reality, the G3 and AK all have EQUAL or LESS recoil. They have EQUAL ACCURACY, and MORE POWER. This doesn't even make sense. All of the advantages of a 5.56 in the 7.62 seems to defy all the laws of physics and gameplay combined. I can kill entire squads with the G3, but will be lucky to survive a shootout with a guy that I shot first with the M-16. Not realistic, not balanced, not fun.

Agreed.

When using the L85A2 ingame, I try to play on how I have been taught IRL with the British Army, and it works for me. I find L85A2 the best although the accuracy of it could be increased.

But to you know, the rounds from a NATO weapon (i.e. 5.56mm) are designed to wound, because if you wound one, it takes 3 or 4 people out of the battle, to patch him up etc.

thats true.. but in PR it takes out 2... 1 medic.. no more.. but good one.. ill think about that

Perhaps we can get some Picatinny-compatible spikes, so that we can turn the M16s into effective combat clubs.

Or just throw it at the enemy, might do more damage

uh...guys, 7.62x51 is more accurate and more long ranged than 5.56x45. G3s are much more accurate and long ranged than m16s. Why do you think most snipers use 7.62 NATO amoo? ak47s (which fire 7.62x39) are less accurate than m16s only because of inferior quality controll at the factories (its why they are so cheap).

BlackwaterEddie wrote:Or just throw it at the enemy, might do more damage

i lol'd

Long Bow wrote:I have found that mouse sensitivity settings have helped me allot. I bought a Logitech G5 gaming mouse which has 5 DPI settings that you can adjust to what ever you like from 400 DPI (slow) to 2000 DPI (ultra fast) on the fly. I also adjusted the sampling rate of the mouse so that you get a cleaner movement from it. I also dulled down my sensitivity in the BF2 settings. I usually use a medium low sensitivity to allow smooth easy aiming but still be able to turn quickly. I will use the lowest setting on my mouse if sniping to allow very minute adjustments, I never use a fast setting for any gun.

Heh, thats exactly what I do, except I got a black G7 . It works wonders when I'm sniping, (sensitivity down) and when I'm in the tank turret (sensitivity up). I've gotten so used to changing my mouse sensitivity depending on the situation, I don't even notice myself doing it anymore.

I suggest everyone who has a couple of bucks to spare do this. Get a G5 or G7!