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Posted: 2007-07-23 13:53
by AfterDune
Spush wrote:Well if you don't like having little texture addons for PR then don't download them. And I don't think its affecting PR Devs in any way...
Let's say I skin every model to "white" skins. That would certainly affect PR, wouldn't it? Not saying yours are white or whatever, but if we are allowed to change the textures, we might as well add a white skin, 'cause if person X is allowed to re-skin, so is person Y.

This is not an offence to you, your skins may be very good (!!), but I don't know what the devs think of this. If it's cool with them, they'll add it to the official release.

Posted: 2007-07-23 14:01
by Spush
Well, since I started skinning for PR, and I played online like on everyserver I haven't been banned or kicked. So it wouldn't affect you nor the people in the server.

Posted: 2007-07-23 14:11
by bosco_
I think he means that using custom skins can be seen as cheating, no matter if PB detects it or not.
You could make yourself brightskins, which would be an advantage.

Posted: 2007-07-23 14:12
by Longbow*
Spush's skins are ok ( actually they even make enemy harder to spot , espessially british woodland DPM & Chineze woodland camo ) , but I gotta agree with iGi's that some 12 year old dumbass may use it to his advantage ( i.e. orange or white skins ) . For future release changing skins must cause PB kick .

Posted: 2007-07-23 14:29
by Spush
'[R-PUB wrote:bosco']I think he means that using custom skins can be seen as cheating, no matter if PB detects it or not.
You could make yourself brightskins, which would be an advantage.
Yeah but I still don't see what the problem is, if they want to download it, download it. People will know what the risk is, maybe I'll write that down on the readme for the future releases.

Posted: 2007-07-23 14:35
by Longbow*
I still can't comprehend why DEV's didn't used Spush's UK woodland DPM for final 0.6(09)

Posted: 2007-07-23 19:50
by Figisaacnewton
Because they weren't done in time to compile into the final release.

However. I do think all of these skins are better than the ones we have now, and I really hoope we adopt them by .7.

Posted: 2007-07-23 20:21
by AfterDune
First of all, please do not get me wrong. I've seen the screenshots and like what I see. Let's not get confused here ;) .
'[R-PUB wrote:bosco']I think he means that using custom skins can be seen as cheating, no matter if PB detects it or not.
You could make yourself brightskins, which would be an advantage.
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Everybody could make their own skins and brighten 'em up. PB doesn't see that (only screenshots do).
Longbow* wrote:Spush's skins are ok ( actually they even make enemy harder to spot , espessially british woodland DPM & Chineze woodland camo ) , but I gotta agree with iGi's that some 12 year old dumbass may use it to his advantage ( i.e. orange or white skins ) . For future release changing skins must cause PB kick .
Exactly! I'm all in favour for the PB kick if anything is changed about PR at all (apart from the stuff that you're allowed to edit).
Spush wrote:Yeah but I still don't see what the problem is, if they want to download it, download it. People will know what the risk is, maybe I'll write that down on the readme for the future releases.
No, the problem is not your skins, they are great, but the problem is.. well, what the guys I quoted above say. People may abuse this and make fake skins.

And next to that, I'd like my complete PR installation to be official. I don't like adding customized stuff, as well as others adding customized stuff. It's weird if one guy uses skinpack X, while another uses skinpack Y and again another uses the original skins.

Again, I'm not saying anything bad about your skins, you've done a very nice job there. It's just that it's unofficial content, which I think should be official, or not at all.

Have you contacted the devs about your skins?

Posted: 2007-07-23 20:42
by Spush
Why should I contact the devs for just an addon. Its annoying how your questioning me. Its like saying that you need permission from a game company to mod it....

Posted: 2007-07-23 21:55
by AfterDune
Man, you just don't get my point :confused:

Posted: 2007-07-23 22:02
by El_Vikingo
When you mod something unofficially, and other players don't have the same content, you have an advantage.

They may be good and work to the contrary, but if you can recognize the uniforms easierly than someone that doesn't have the skins installed, its cheating.

Did you understand now? o_0.

Posted: 2007-07-23 22:09
by Spush
I understand what hes talking about, its just that hes telling/asking me to go contact the devs, and now I really dont care.

...

Posted: 2007-07-23 22:30
by krekc
I use these skins as well, & tbh I never thought at all about them being considered "cheating". The thought of cheating appalls me greatly! and i'm gaming a long time now. I also play on a server that they actively check PB SS and, stream to PB , becasue, while I know cheats are out there, they stand a far slimer chance playing on that server.

I would hope that anyone checking PB screen shots would see a bright orange/whatever colour skin being exploited to gain unfair advantage! while I would also hope any examiniation of Spushes skins would leave them thinking, damn where did they get those fine skins!!

Now i'm uncertain, maybe I should uninstall them?

Posted: 2007-07-23 22:56
by Dr_Tubesteak
"If" people are going to cheat, there going to cheat.

Until the Dev's address the issue in the future, why get on Spush for something he provided to the community? I use them, and I think they enhance the feel of the game simple as that.

Posted: 2007-07-23 22:57
by Longbow*
El_Vikingo wrote:When you mod something unofficially, and other players don't have the same content, you have an advantage.

They may be good and work to the contrary, but if you can recognize the uniforms easierly than someone that doesn't have the skins installed, its cheating.

Did you understand now? o_0.
Have you tried exactly these skins ? I'd rather say that they give more disadvantage then advantage . Woodland DPM ( both PLA\GB ) works better for camouflaging then current official ones . US & MEC looks almost the same from distance , while official ones are actually different ( atleast to me ) . Chinese and GB also look very similar .

Anyways , I will use this skinpack because current british woodland DPM kicks my eyes every time I see it ... looks like it was used under sun for about 10 years non stop 360 days per year ...

Posted: 2007-07-23 23:04
by TristanYockell
Longbow* wrote:Have you tried exactly these skins ? I'd rather say that they give more disadvantage then advantage . Woodland DPM ( both PLA\GB ) works better for camouflaging then current official ones . US & MEC looks almost the same from distance , while official ones are actually different ( atleast to me ) . Chinese and GB also look very similar .

Anyways , I will use this skinpack because current british woodland DPM kicks my eyes every time I see it ... looks like it was used under sun for about 10 years non stop 360 days per year ...
Yea I have to agree, the camo is way better in spush's skinpack.
I have a harder time picking out people hiding.
It helps give the game a more real feel.

Posted: 2007-07-23 23:29
by spartan117gw
AfterDune wrote:Man, you just don't get my point :confused:
ok i get ur point ur pointi9ng out that addon skins can be used for cheating


spushes skins are an exception and are in way beign tested for teh mod anyway so there not gonna be used for cheating
Spush wrote:Why should I contact the devs for just an addon. Its annoying how your questioning me. Its like saying that you need permission from a game company to mod it....

ur skins rock. just make more of them. none of ur skins are dishonorable to the game.


i do think that the usmc skins should remain the same. but mec skins should be come some sort of desert digital cus the current one gets way to confusing. even at close range

Posted: 2007-07-23 23:32
by Spush
spartan117gw wrote:ok i get ur point ur pointi9ng out that addon skins can be used for cheating


spushes skins are an exception and are in way beign tested for teh mod anyway so there not gonna be used for cheating




ur skins rock. just make more of them. none of ur skins are dishonorable to the game.


i do think that the usmc skins should remain the same. but mec skins should be come some sort of desert digital cus the current one gets way to confusing. even at close range
Thank you, and yes I'm prob going to do a digital desert version of MEC, and ps Get on xfire :) want to shoe ya something