Tone down the Laser-tracers?

RoGuETrOoPeR · Post by **RoGuETrOoPeR** » 2007-07-30 21:16

The British Army 10 round 5.56 clip contains 3 tracer rounds as standard & yes you can see tracer during daylight hours.

I & my clan mates find the tracer very useful ingame & often over TS you hear "watch my tracer" when indicating targets

Gyberg · Post by **Gyberg** » 2007-07-30 21:34

Rico11b wrote:[font=&quot]I see the same thing all the time. That is the messed up part. You should NOT see a tracer round flying at you, but only once it passes. A tracer bullet is a regular bullet with a cavity made into the back of it. That cavity is filled with a type of Phosphor powder. When the bullet is fired the powder is ignited, but it does not burn. It glows and smolders like the lit end of a cigarette, the air passing by the bullet makes it glow brighter. The same as if you blew on the lit cigarette. Only if you are at an angle 90% or more of the bullet when it goes by should you be able to see the glowing element inside the back of the bullet. Seeing tracer rounds flying straight at you is not realistic, but once it passes you should be able to see it if you are looking in the direction the bullet it traveling. This may be an issue where the game engine is limited, I'm not sure on the engine part.
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The man is right

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-07-30 21:36

WNxKenwayy wrote:Tracers are used in all weapons. I stacked 3 high, 3 low, and every 5. That means the first 3 were tracer, to mark a target EVEN IN DAYTIME, then every other 5th round, and the final 3 were to let me know when I needed to change mags as I was just about out of ammo. That's not SOP for all units, but its smart and most guys I know use a similar setup.

End of argument.

Yes, what he said. Loaded mine the same.

Also while I am thinking about it let me say this. If you were not in the Military, and/or DID NOT fire the weapon system you are "about" to comment on.

DON'T!!!

Because the best you can give us is a guess at how it would work. Watching something on the Military Channel is not the same thing as being there and doing the firing yourself. Also I find the use of a YouTube video as evidence utterly laughable. Please don't waste time giving your opinion and try to pass it off as fact. Because unless you have actually fired a particular weapon then you have no idea what it's downrange effect is going to be. To do that is just making the water more and more cloudy, and that will just make it take longer for the Devs to get the mod where they want it.
I for one am glad that most of the suggestions are not listened to, cause this mod would turn out more arcady than the original BF2. Thank God for REAL WORLD Advisers like this man (WNxKenwayy). The suggestion portion of this forum has gotten out of hand. I'm off my rant now!

Out Here!

bullock · Post by **bullock** » 2007-07-30 23:27

Rico11b wrote:[font=&quot]I see the same thing all the time. That is the messed up part. You should NOT see a tracer round flying at you, but only once it passes. A tracer bullet is a regular bullet with a cavity made into the back of it. That cavity is filled with a type of Phosphor powder. When the bullet is fired the powder is ignited, but it does not burn. It glows and smolders like the lit end of a cigarette, the air passing by the bullet makes it glow brighter. The same as if you blew on the lit cigarette. Only if you are at an angle 90% or more of the bullet when it goes by should you be able to see the glowing element inside the back of the bullet. Seeing tracer rounds flying straight at you is not realistic, but once it passes you should be able to see it if you are looking in the direction the bullet it traveling. This may be an issue where the game engine is limited, I'm not sure on the engine part.
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i dont know where you learned that my friend but a tracer has the phosphor on the tip of the bullet after 75m the friction with the air courses so much heat it ignites. its just a normal bullet no cavity in it or anything like that just the tip has the phosphor on it

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infa ... m_ammo.jpg

iv never used the last 3 but thats all the 5.56 ammo you can get

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-07-30 23:37

'[BT wrote:BodyBag']If anyone is a military buff or a firearms or ammunition collector will find that the tracers are only found in most support or heavy machine guns for seeing where the shots are going. Regular infantry do not use tracers in their rifles because it can give away your position as it does in the game right now. Correct me if I'm wrong. [BT]BodyBag

[FONT=&quot]Ok, you are wrong!

You see this is the kind of stuff that I’m talking about. Who in the hell told you that? What TV/Movie did you watch to learn that piece of hardcore truth? You don't have to answer, cause I am just being sarcastic.

You guys muddy the water with statements like this. Now suppose this kind of stuff was not called into question and corrected by someone that knows the "real" truth. Most of you guys would go around believing that this was the truth, but it's not the truth. I'm not trying to pick on BodyBag, but I'm using his statement as an example of the kinds of things that can be misleading for PR players and the DEVs. Not all of the DEVs have Military experience, I’m sure most do not, but they sure know how to make a mod don’t they.

Suppose the DEVs didn't know anything about this kind of stuff or have anyone to call BS on these kinds of untruths. We'd end up with a seriously messed up version of "reality" wouldn't we. Then they would have to call the mod Project Arcade Reality, cause there wouldn't be much "real" about then would it.

Sorry BodyBag, I'm not trying to single you out. I only mean to use the post you made as an example of misleading statements. Sorry if I offended you, it is not my intention.

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Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-07-30 23:45

bullock wrote:i dont know where you learned that my friend but a tracer has the phosphor on the tip of the bullet after 75m the friction with the air courses so much heat it ignites. its just a normal bullet no cavity in it or anything like that just the tip has the phosphor on it

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/5.56mm/556mm_ammo.jpg

iv never used the last 3 but thats all the 5.56 ammo you can get

Are you freakin kidding me? Please tell you are kidding me!

If you aren't kidding me then I'm gonna rip you a new one for a line of BS like that. I feel you are pulling my leg on this, cause there is no way anyone can be that dumb. You basically just called me a lier if you stand behind this BS. I'm gonna wait before commenting further to determine if you are joking with me or not. If you are just kidding around with this, then it's really funny. AaaaaaaaHhhhhhhhhhh! Please be kidding around, please

You are way off on this, but I think you know that already. This is another shining example of what I was talking about earlier. Didn't I just ask you guys not to make posts like this unless you have, "been there done that, and got the dam Tee-shirt". Didn't I?

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bullock · Post by **bullock** » 2007-07-31 00:01

you are right i must do more research before i make a post i apologize sorry

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-07-31 00:10

I think that the tracers for DMs and snipers were taken out, haven't had them atleast.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-07-31 01:31

Rico11b wrote:[font=&quot]I see the same thing all the time. That is the messed up part. You should NOT see a tracer round flying at you, but only once it passes. A tracer bullet is a regular bullet with a cavity made into the back of it. That cavity is filled with a type of Phosphor powder. When the bullet is fired the powder is ignited, but it does not burn. It glows and smolders like the lit end of a cigarette, the air passing by the bullet makes it glow brighter. The same as if you blew on the lit cigarette. Only if you are at an angle 90% or more of the bullet when it goes by should you be able to see the glowing element inside the back of the bullet. Seeing tracer rounds flying straight at you is Kinda unrealistic, but once it passes you should be able to see it if you are looking in the direction the bullet it traveling. This may be an issue where the game engine is limited, I'm not sure on the engine part.
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Here is an illustration of what I'm referring to. Sort of a crude drawing, but you get the idea. Also I feel the need to correct myself somewhat on one point. Sometimes, just sometimes a tracer round can be seen when it is coming at you. This is not a common occurrence however, like is represented in game. But you aren't really seeing the round itself or the tracing element, just the glow from it. It's really an illusion, and it can make the bullet "seem" to move slower, but when it gets closer it "seems" to pick up speed. It's just an illusion really. The lighting has to be just right, and who the hell wants to stand around and watch for that. It's easier to see the red tracers coming in your direction that it is to see the green ones. The red one is a bit brighter. However it you manage to screw up enough to have hundreds if not thousands of bullets fired in your direction then it may seem more common that it really it. Ok enough about that, on to something else.

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-07-31 02:20

dunehunter wrote:I think that the tracers for DMs and snipers were taken out, haven't had them atleast.

I think you may be correct. I don't use the DM or sniper rifles much anymore in game so I can't say for sure. Maybe I'll go check it out. Maybe not

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Red Halibut · Post by **Red Halibut** » 2007-07-31 09:24

Actually I really like the idea of implementing the 3up 3down 1-in-5 stack. It would certainly help me when painting targets for directed fire.

Maxfragg · Post by **Maxfragg** » 2007-07-31 12:19

could the tracers in Battlefield 2 bounce like in the video ? i think so: [url=<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/CNA5eFIefRg"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/CNA5eFIefRg" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>]look[/url]

Ti_GER Niqo · Post by **Ti_GER Niqo** » 2007-07-31 12:56

Red Halibut wrote:Actually I really like the idea of implementing the 3up 3down 1-in-5 stack. It would certainly help me when painting targets for directed fire.

QFT

[BT]BodyBag · Post by **[BT]BodyBag** » 2007-08-03 07:22

I am going to research this more but I found this site that gives a good explanation of tracers and their uses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition

Rico11b · Post by **Rico11b** » 2007-08-03 14:51

'[BT wrote:BodyBag;446514']I am going to research this more but I found this site that gives a good explanation of tracers and their uses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracer_ammunition

Research is always a good thing, but sometimes it's not the same as being there and doing it yourself.

Please don't put to much stock in everything you see on Wikipedia. Most anyone can post things on there, and they have been wrong before. Just cause it's posted on the WWW doesn't mean it's true. Also just because it's NOT posted on the WWW doesn't mean that it doesn't exist either.

I'm sure you probably know that already. As for me, I'm going to the beach for the weekend. Have a good one guys

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