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Expendable Grunt wrote:ORLY?

Ya , rly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

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Dan UK wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

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Um............ That can be edited by anyone to say anything they wan't it to say.

The Military channel siad it best:

The M16s fire selector is set like this: single shot, Burst, Full auto: This weapon was made as a rifle first and a MG second: IE the name (Assault Rifle)

The AK-47 fire selector is set like this: Full auto, Burst, singel shot: this weapon is a MG first and a rifle second: IE agian the name (Assault Rifle)

BTW the M16 did have full auto when it first came to the troops in Veitnam.

If you wan't people to use AKs like real life people do the devs need to make the change to the selection of fire modes on the weapons:

IE the AKs main fire mode should be full auto not single shot, while the M16s is Single shot. This would fix it and I like most players love to shoot my AKs on full auto anyway.

BTW they should also add in all the different fire modes for all the different weapons as they are in real life: IE the AK has a burst mode, and the Type-95 dose not have FULL AUTO!

BTW the MP44 was called by the US as the "Machine" Pistol 44. IE hense the full auto on the fire selector and the single shot mode for acting as a rifle.

Assault rifles are way different from normal Combat rifles. Assault rifles were made to fill in the gaps for the ground troops between the heavy firepower of the machine gun IE the MG42/ M2 30.cal, and the light but accurate combat rifle IE the No4/M1 Garand.

Gunwing wrote: The AK-47 fire selector is set like this: Full auto, Burst, singel shot: this weapon is a MG first and a rifle second: IE agian the name (Assault Rifle)

BTW they should also add in all the different fire modes for all the different weapons as they are in real life: IE the AK has a burst mode, and the Type-95 dose not have FULL AUTO

Type-95 & AK-47 do not have burst mode IRL ; AK's fire selector is S-A-1 , thats true .

'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;451439']all I can say to this topic is: LOL!

really man do your research, its classed as an "Assault RIFLE" for a very good reason you know.

be nice!

Gunwing wrote:Um............ That can be edited by anyone to say anything they wan't it to say.

The Military channel siad it best:

The M16s fire selector is set like this: single shot, Burst, Full auto: This weapon was made as a rifle first and a MG second: IE the name (Assault Rifle)

The AK-47 fire selector is set like this: Full auto, Burst, singel shot: this weapon is a MG first and a rifle second: IE agian the name (Assault Rifle)

BTW the M16 did have full auto when it first came to the troops in Veitnam.

If you wan't people to use AKs like real life people do the devs need to make the change to the selection of fire modes on the weapons:

IE the AKs main fire mode should be full auto not single shot, while the M16s is Single shot. This would fix it and I like most players love to shoot my AKs on full auto anyway.

BTW they should also add in all the different fire modes for all the different weapons as they are in real life: IE the AK has a burst mode, and the Type-95 dose not have FULL AUTO!

BTW the MP44 was called by the US as the "Machine" Pistol 44. IE hense the full auto on the fire selector and the single shot mode for acting as a rifle.

Assault rifles are way different from normal Combat rifles. Assault rifles were made to fill in the gaps for the ground troops between the heavy firepower of the machine gun IE the MG42/ M2 30.cal, and the light but accurate combat rifle IE the No4/M1 Garand.

Ok,first off: The order in which the modes of fire are listed is about obsolete. What class a weapon is is influenced by factors like calibre,ROF,accuracy and such,but not by the order of the fire mode.

And yes, the M16 had full auto, but because of the light recoil, the troops used it as an personal MG, thus wasting ammo.

The default fire mode should be single shot, since it is better in most situations. Full auto is nice in QCB, but in most cases single shot is just more effective, hence it is the default mode.

And I trust that the dev's did good research on the firetypes, especially when they made the weapon (the chinese one) themselves, and there are several types of the Ak, some with burst,some without.

And to the Stg. 44: You got it the wrong way around. The germans called it "Maschinenpistole 44" to hide the fact that they are creating a new class of weapons,the assault rifles (Sturmgewehre, hence Stg.) from allied intelligence.

And to be honest I don't see what your last statement is supposed to mean since the AK as well as the M16 is an assault rifle, nobody brought up something about a battle rifle.

Gunwing wrote:Um............ That can be edited by anyone to say anything they wan't it to say.

The Military channel siad it best:

The M16s fire selector is set like this: single shot, Burst, Full auto: This weapon was made as a rifle first and a MG second: IE the name (Assault Rifle)

The AK-47 fire selector is set like this: Full auto, Burst, singel shot: this weapon is a MG first and a rifle second: IE agian the name (Assault Rifle)

BTW the M16 did have full auto when it first came to the troops in Veitnam.

If you wan't people to use AKs like real life people do the devs need to make the change to the selection of fire modes on the weapons:

IE the AKs main fire mode should be full auto not single shot, while the M16s is Single shot. This would fix it and I like most players love to shoot my AKs on full auto anyway.

BTW they should also add in all the different fire modes for all the different weapons as they are in real life: IE the AK has a burst mode, and the Type-95 dose not have FULL AUTO!

BTW the MP44 was called by the US as the "Machine" Pistol 44. IE hense the full auto on the fire selector and the single shot mode for acting as a rifle.

Assault rifles are way different from normal Combat rifles. Assault rifles were made to fill in the gaps for the ground troops between the heavy firepower of the machine gun IE the MG42/ M2 30.cal, and the light but accurate combat rifle IE the No4/M1 Garand.

lol you suck at remembering

m16- SAFE, single, burst
ak- SAFE, auto, single
he also mentioned that safe on the ak=dust cover closed.

Hardtman wrote:Ok,first off: The order in which the modes of fire are listed is about obsolete. What class a weapon is is influenced by factors like calibre,ROF,accuracy and such,but not by the order of the fire mode.

And yes, the M16 had full auto, but because of the light recoil, the troops used it as an personal MG, thus wasting ammo.

The default fire mode should be single shot, since it is better in most situations. Full auto is nice in QCB, but in most cases single shot is just more effective, hence it is the default mode.

And I trust that the dev's did good research on the firetypes, especially when they made the weapon (the chinese one) themselves, and there are several types of the Ak, some with burst,some without.

And to the Stg. 44: You got it the wrong way around. The germans called it "Maschinenpistole 44" to hide the fact that they are creating a new class of weapons,the assault rifles (Sturmgewehre, hence Stg.) from allied intelligence.

And to be honest I don't see what your last statement is supposed to mean since the AK as well as the M16 is an assault rifle, nobody brought up something about a battle rifle.

One small flawn there mate -- it was called "Machinepistole" to hide it not from the spies sent by the allies, but to hide it from Hiter himself -- he REJECTED the Stg 44 prototype, saying it didn't fit his idea of a "perfect" rifle (and he has a point, the forgrip is metal...) so they built it anyways under the "Machinepistol" name. Nifty.

WNxKenwayy wrote:And considering he basically raped the STG-44 design of the Nazi's who intended it as a shock troop assault weapon....yeah.....

Yeah, I guess if you imagine Kalashnikov saying, "Hey, that german Stg.44 is really cool looking, I want to make something that looks like that!" Instead of him recognizing the need for a weapon to fill a similar role to the Stg.44. But anyway you look at it, the Stg.44 uses the resistance of two cams to delay the bolt/carrier's travel to the rear of the reciever while the AK uses the resistance of the 2 bolt lugs... Two different operating systems, two different rifles, two different countries, two different designers, one role.

-REad

Well after reading through all of these posts I have concluded that people get really defensive about some one elses firearm design.

It's inevitable. I like the AK-47, and consider it better than the MP44 (metal forgrip FTL!).

Expendable Grunt wrote:One small flawn there mate -- it was called "Machinepistole" to hide it not from the spies sent by the allies, but to hide it from Hiter himself -- he REJECTED the Stg 44 prototype, saying it didn't fit his idea of a "perfect" rifle (and he has a point, the forgrip is metal...) so they built it anyways under the "Machinepistol" name. Nifty.

Ah,damn. Well,close enough. But I still think it was also used to hide it from american intelligence, if not as the main reason, than as a good side effect .

Oh,and it's Maschinenpistole.

Of course is the Ak better than the Stg,but hey,who needs plastic/wood foregrip if he has those stylisch black Wehrmacht-gloves ^^

Hah, yeah! Gloves for the win.

By the way...what was the "drawbacks" of the Stg44 that made it not catch on? I would have figured USA would have adopted the concept...

Expendable Grunt wrote:Hah, yeah! Gloves for the win.

By the way...what was the "drawbacks" of the Stg44 that made it not catch on? I would have figured USA would have adopted the concept...

It was made out of rubbish metal. Apparently if you knocked one over on a hard floor it could shatter its reciver.

Anyway, the US didn't adopt the concept because they didn't think it was right. So, in spite of the British findings, Russian findings, German findings, Belgian findings, their own findings and probubly quite a few other peoples findings about the effectiveness of small arms in the first and second world wars, they said no, the only thing that would do to replace the .30-06 was a full power rifle round that was at least .30" calibre. So they strong armed NATO into adopting the 7.62x51mm, forced the British and Belgians to stop work on their .280 rifles and adopted the M14 themselves.

The Europeans adopted FALs and G3s mainly, with a few odd balls like the Itallian BM59 and whatnot and used them till the mid-late 80s and early 90s.

When the Americans went to Vietnam and their M14 armed units got consistently out gunned by the NVA/VC armed with AK-47s and realised, as everyone had told them, that the M14 was rubbish on full auto and generally ill suited as a general issue rifle, the airforce bought M16s, the Army and Marines trailed XM16E1s then adopted M16A1s.

1979, NATO trials to standardize on a new small calibre round to replace 7.62x51mm in some roles resulted in the adoption of the SS109/M855.

1993 - Americans shoot Somalians with M855. Complain about lack of stopping power.

2001-2007 - Americans shoot Afghans with M855. Complain about lack of stopping power.

2003-2007 - Americans shoot Iraqis with M855. Complain about lack of stopping power.

2004 onward (ish) - Americans trial 6.8mm and 6.5mm (about .255"-0.27") rounds in an effort to increase stopping power. Bob moans at everyone that the British got it right 50 years ago.

I'll want to see these 6.8 rounds in action.

Why? More killing? [/humanist]

Expendable Grunt wrote:No ExOps, the AK-47 was designed to be a USSR infantry weapon by a man named Kalasnakov (spelling...?). He was a tanker, yes, but a conscript. His weapon design was for a "cheap, easy to maintain weapon". Because it's so reliable it cuts down how long it takes to teach someone to repair it. It fields strips easy, and doesn't jam easy. This is because when you have a mass conscript army, you're bound to get stupid people. The weapon is short range and has little accuracy but that fits in very well with the old Soviet doctrine of human wave assaults and mass fire power.


EDIT: Funny thing is, the designer wishes he had invented the Lawn mower instead -- he doesn't see a dime from any one of those weapons.

Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov

The AK is simple, inexpensive to manufacture and easy to clean and maintain. Its ruggedness and reliability are legendary.[16] The large gas piston, generous clearances between moving parts, and tapered cartridge case design allow the gun to endure large amounts of foreign matter and fouling without failing to cycle. This reliability comes at the cost of accuracy, as the looser tolerances do not allow the precision and consistency that are required of more accurate firearms. Reflecting Soviet infantry doctrine of its time, the rifle is meant to be part of massed infantry fire, not long range engagements.

Expendable Grunt wrote:Hah, yeah! Gloves for the win.

By the way...what was the "drawbacks" of the Stg44 that made it not catch on? I would have figured USA would have adopted the concept...

The fact that Germany lost the war pretty much finished it off and the concept was not picked up again by the U.S. for several years. We loved our heavy battle rifles.

Only right way to use an AK-47/Type-56, as I instructed my voice squads in the days before the QBZ-95, is to throw grenades and smoke on the enemy, run foward shooting a few rounds single off the hip, and leap into the enemy ranks on full auto. Semi-automatic was a thing you did so the squad machine-gunner wasn't the only person with their head sticking out of the trenches on defense.