Al Basrah v0.5 is better than Basrah v0.6

Post by **Dunehunter** » 2007-09-24 15:25

A high central tower perhaps? Atm, when I do defense duty, we often only have a couple of people there. If we're lucky, one or two warriors, and then one or more people on foot. With so little people, it can be damn hard to secure a full 360° perimeter.

Hfett · Post by **Hfett** » 2007-09-24 15:34

The VCP is easy to defend, the major problem is that no one want's to stay and defend it

And since it is easy to defend, once insurgents get it, it is hard to take back

But 0.6 is way much better than 0.5

0.5 was only fun for the american's, the insurgents got raped by cobras, a10, tank's etc...
The RPG was **** on 0.5

Now on 0.6 the insurgent's can fight back, the RPG realy kill's, a good RPG squad with one white techinical can take almost every IFV out of the map

The major problem is that no one want's to defend, only that, but that is not the map fault

00SoldierofFortune00 · Post by **00SoldierofFortune00** » 2007-09-24 15:39

Outlawz wrote:There's too much movies and video games, where U.S. has the main role and being the 'good guys' with tons of super-tech stuff, while the 'bad guys' have AK47s, speak incomprehensible languages and 'threated the U.S.A.' with whatever they're doing.

That's true, but who do you think the enemy is right now? It sure as hell isn't the Brazilians or the Japanese. It is the gun totting insurgents, terrorist, Iraqis, Taliban, and Al Qaeda who mainly carry the AK47 or AK varient.

Those movies are based off of something and that something is fact.

TayloR016 · Post by **TayloR016** » 2007-09-24 15:52

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:the thing is it is realistic for insurgants to attack VCPs, outposts etc they do it all the time but we have not yet found a perfect solution to the problem as of yet. all in good time I'm sure we will have something

Yeh they do actually attack control points but they dont capture them it'd be an ambush and fall back if anything and its pretty much plain land around the vcp so its not really ideal for an insurgent ambush. Only problem i see with makin the vcp uncappable is insurgents wont bother attacking it.. but at least the fighting will be more focused within the city.

Post by **Rhino** » 2007-09-24 16:25

The Power wrote:Yeh they do actually attack control points but they dont capture them it'd be an ambush and fall back if anything and its pretty much plain land around the vcp so its not really ideal for an insurgent ambush. Only problem i see with makin the vcp uncappable is insurgents wont bother attacking it.. but at least the fighting will be more focused within the city.

I think the reason why they are never captured in real life is cos they are always heavily defended, like they should be ingame

Alex6714 · Post by **Alex6714** » 2007-09-24 16:36

Never played Al basrah 0.5, but it sounds like it would be if 3 challengers were put into helmand.

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-24 17:07

Alex6714 wrote:Never played Al basrah 0.5, but it sounds like it would be if 3 challengers were put into helmand.

Well, wasn't always that bad, you'd just had to get USMC organized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrc-pBq3zyw

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-09-24 17:20

people are just to use to US dominated games where the US has everything and pwns the rest. .6 is sooooo much better , its all about the inf , no rape in 2x cobras , no rape with A-10s and tanks and APCs. its just inf vs inf , fighting in compounds and city's , searching for stuff as a squad. not 1 guy in a A-10 with 50 kills.

Ecko · Post by **Ecko** » 2007-09-24 18:02

[R-MOD]dunehunter wrote:A high central tower perhaps? Atm, when I do defense duty, we often only have a couple of people there. If we're lucky, one or two warriors, and then one or more people on foot. With so little people, it can be damn hard to secure a full 360° perimeter.

Not a bad idea. Although a new static would have to be made... if so make sure it's destroyable if 6 IEDs hit it. (IE it collapses in half)

Post by **Outlawz7** » 2007-09-24 18:12

00SoldierofFortune00 wrote:That's true, but who do you think the enemy is right now? It sure as hell isn't the Brazilians or the Japanese. It is the gun totting insurgents, terrorist, Iraqis, Taliban, and Al Qaeda who mainly carry the AK47 or AK varient.

Those movies are based off of something and that something is fact.

One thing, when it's a real military force against real insurgents, terrorists and suicide bombers.

Another is a 10 year old kid wanting to fly an A10 and pwn the weak Insurgent team. Especially, when the Insurgents are human players.

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-09-24 18:34

[R-PUB]Hfett wrote:The VCP is easy to defend, the major problem is that no one want's to stay and defend it

And since it is easy to defend, once insurgents get it, it is hard to take back

Thats why I think the UK Army should have tanks, at least one. Nothing the insurgents have could resist that and they should not be holding points, isnt that why its insurgency not AAS.

The whole insurgent team should be ambushing, gun and run. At best an annoyance and delaying the destruction of their caches. A game of hide and seek is obviously what it should be closest to and there is no point in a game of hide and seek where you get to destroy the point the seeker starts off from to win the game

[EC]DR.NOobFragger · Post by **[EC]DR.NOobFragger** » 2007-09-24 20:04

gazzthompson wrote:people are just to use to US dominated games where the US has everything and pwns the rest. .6 is sooooo much better , its all about the inf , no rape in 2x cobras , no rape with A-10s and tanks and APCs. its just inf vs inf , fighting in compounds and city's , searching for stuff as a squad. not 1 guy in a A-10 with 50 kills.

but thats how it is in real life.... we have A-10s and cobras... and we use them.. its not like the insurgents call up the geneva convention and complain that its not fair...

gazzthompson · Post by **gazzthompson** » 2007-09-24 20:29

'[EC wrote:DR.NOobFragger;493661']but thats how it is in real life.... we have A-10s and cobras... and we use them.. its not like the insurgents call up the geneva convention and complain that its not fair...

but we are talking about basrah , which is UK

Sabre_tooth_tigger · Post by **Sabre_tooth_tigger** » 2007-09-25 00:34

If you want the old basra I think its still used in the pr sp /bot mod for pr

Post by **77SiCaRiO77** » 2007-09-25 00:38

[R-PUB]Hfett wrote:The RPG was **** on 0.5

was?

it still taking two shoots of rpg to take down a chopper...

Ecko · Post by **Ecko** » 2007-09-25 01:27

77SiCaRiO77 wrote:was?

it still taking two shoots of rpg to take down a chopper...

But before hand it would take 10.

Chuffy · Post by **Chuffy** » 2007-09-25 12:11

I love .6 Basrah however I do think the Brits need some tanks or an apache to force the Insurgents to adopt a more 'sneaky' gamestyle. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a return to 2 A-10's, 2 Cobra's and gigantic columns of tanks, but in .6 the Insurgents fight more like a conventional force rather than an irregular one and thats because they just don't fear British firepower enough.

As an RPG whore I find basrah very easy to dominate since I can destroy the IFV's in short order. However if I saw a challenger rumbling down the main road to the city I'd **** my pants.

jayceon515 · Post by **jayceon515** » 2007-09-25 13:01

What about making the VCP flag like the Village flag was in 0.5? The insurgents have control of the VCP at the beginning of the round and UK guys have to cap it. Once it's capped it can't be taken back by insurgents and the search for the caches can begin.
Or make it like the North VCP (Current VCP) was in 0.5. Mark it as a UK controlled area but make it uncapable. Few insurgent guys would surely use it to ambush British APC coming from the base but most fighting would IMO still take part in the city.
Just my 2 cents