US Army...what would be their equipment?

[Skodz]

Marine Boot Camp is harder than Army BCT (Marine Boot Camp being longer is not the reason); the average Marine is more disciplined than the average soldier. I am using the word average here.

Army is better funded and offers better financial rewards but the Marines pay you with a sharper looking uniform and more camaradie among the branch as a whole. Since after WWII the Marines have survived numerous (many times Army-led) efforts to "absorb" the Marine Corps mission into the Army/Navy missions. This is part of the reason why Marines value their branch's history and traditions more than the other branches do-"The few, the Proud.."

Their missions are different: Marines=power projection from the sea & "quick-reaction force" (they're on ships, duh) while Army=long-term, drawn out land conflicts with its larger numbers and logistical capabilities. The Marines don't have non-SF airborne grunts like the 101st or 82nd. Marines can win battles, but Soldiers (and maybe Airmen) win wars. However, I think the two branches will grow more similar to each other because of the similar fighting both must conduct in Iraq/Afghanistan.

In fact, the USMC does not need to exist. The Army conducted many of its own amphibious operations during WWII. It participated in the biggest one of them all: Overlord. The mere fact that the Corps is smaller and traditionally envisioned to perform such operations has driven it to "perfect" it, while the Army has not.

As to the question of whose actually the better fighting force...that's a question someone that has not served in both branches or even one of the branches cannot and should not answer (though I'm planning on Army ROTC atm). Anyone who proudly serves in their country's armed forces with honor has my respect.

Though an Army Ranger or SF soldier could pwn a Marine anyday

In Brief, USMC is the fast-first-offensive branch of the US military.

[Ironcomatose]

Why will there be two faction of the same military ? There is already the USMC... What about Canadian Forces, Russian, French... I mean... Theres a lot of other important military with different equipment who should be added before adding more US since they're already in the game...

Thanks

Well for one they are as easy to implement in their basic form as making one skin, a rifle and an APC. Whereas these other factions are much harder.

Another thing is that the US Army is a MAJOR player(more so than Canada, for example) in this current war and so they would be in our PR war and why waste time implementing a country who's entire fighting strength(no offense) is not equal to that of the US Army.

[Skodz]

Its obvious they're a major player, they're the most powerful military mankind ever known... Now Canadian Forces has the third largest troops in Afghanistan and hold the hottest Afghan region... The first two being US and Brits...

All I'm saying there is I believe it would be more appreciated by the international community to give more different faction instead of adding more US wich is already very present.

[HughJass]

Its obvious they're a major player, they're the most powerful military mankind ever known... Now Canadian Forces has the third largest troops in Afghanistan and hold the hottest Afghan region... The first two being US and Brits...

All I'm saying there is I believe it would be more appreciated by the international community to give more different faction instead of adding more US witch is already very present.

you pose a point that I have been wondering about all this time. Even tough it is easy to put in the army, I still do belive it is a waste of time. No offense, but if devs helped out with any of the community factions now, they would sure be included in .8, no doubt. I don't really mind tough, we get new stuff to play around with so it all good.

[Rudd]

Why will there be two faction of the same military ? There is already the USMC... What about Canadian Forces, Russian, French... I mean... Theres a lot of other important military with different equipment who should be added before adding more US since they're already in the game...

Thanks

The CF will be put in as soon as the CF team finish them, seeing as OP archer is already going to be CF map I think they are far along.

btw, u have a kickass sig

[charliegrs]

Its obvious they're a major player, they're the most powerful military mankind ever known... Now Canadian Forces has the third largest troops in Afghanistan and hold the hottest Afghan region... The first two being US and Brits...

All I'm saying there is I believe it would be more appreciated by the international community to give more different faction instead of adding more US wich is already very present.

the DEVs are working on the US army, and theres a dedicated community team making the canadian army. so everyone should be satisfied.

[OkitaMakoto]

Its obvious they're a major player, they're the most powerful military mankind ever known... Now Canadian Forces has the third largest troops in Afghanistan and hold the hottest Afghan region... The first two being US and Brits...

All I'm saying there is I believe it would be more appreciated by the international community to give more different faction instead of adding more US wich is already very present.

The way I see it though is why work hard to include some podunk faction[no offense or naming names here] when you yourself say the US is the most involved. Thats not saying other countries dont do anything by any means, but in a realism mod, why not include the top countries and the top branches?[top in terms of numbers, not quality, im not arguing that either way] I see no reason not to include the US Army as tey are a major force in both Afghanistan and Ira, where the majority of fighting both real life and PR takes place.

Leave it to the X number of members of such-and-such country to work on their own faction. Besides they get help from DEVs often times anyway. not to mention, DEVs are just people who worked on something long enough and got the DEV title. Its not like they are more capable than anyone else working on a community mod. What I'm saying is that there are plenty of talented people working on the Canadians and others...

[KP]

Because U.S. Army use the full auto capable M4.

[Maxfragg]

well, that happens when people dont want to read a thread they are posting in (it had been said twise that the M4 is burst only, but he did obvious not read it)

[STORM-Mama]

"I'm so boooored with the USA!"

Okay, I can understand why the US get so much attention in game like this, just as much as I understand that the differences between US army and USMC are big enough to create a new faction.

Just don't turn PR into another "America's Army". Yanks deserves alot of attention, but not that much that we forget about the rest of the armies.
Judging from info on US army equipment there is, obviously, alot of work to be done here.

The PLA are in more need of fixes, in my opinion (the camo is outdated, they don't use the SA-7, etc.)

[OkitaMakoto]

Don't forget that this mod was made with a main reason being to add the British... I don't think we have to worry about it becoming all about the US

And in regards to the PLA, well, we'll just have to wait and see, but Im thinking they havent been forgotten, as with all the other factions.

[PFunk]

Though people say they think Canada isn't that significant just because of the troop numbers, if really think about it conceptually Canada's forces are some of the most actively involved in intense counter-insurgent fighting in the world. Personally if the DEVs want to plug their original Insurgency mode then Canada would seem to be a perfect vessel for it. Not just because of how we're (yea I'm a Canuck) involved in it now but also because our forces have learned lots of lessons on fighting insurgencies compared to the more barracked-up forces that are lovin' the sunshine in northern Afghanistan.

[Rudd]

Personally if the DEVs want to plug their original Insurgency mode then Canada would seem to be a perfect vessel for it.

I am right in thinking that Operation Archer is destined for the CF mod?

[Scot]

ive noticed that the us army and marines are quite different, different camos, different guns, different vehicles, different roles, so i was curious is it the same way with the british army and marines? are they quite different or more the same?

i thought that the RM are in the Navy?? that being a semi big difference! But the training is quite a bit harder IIRC, but on weapons and camo, they are the same...

[Maxfragg]

the special thing in the US is, that the have the USMC as a 4. branch, but the marines in other armys are usualy part of the navy and not a branch of its own

[PFunk]

I am right in thinking that Operation Archer is destined for the CF mod?

Thats what I heard. I don't think I was really saying they weren't gonna support the idea. More that it makes sense for them to include Canada, unlike so many nay sayers want to see.

So they are. Point pre-proven long before I joined the community.

I should add that I do support the inclusion of the US Army. I support the inclusion of all the armies frankly. Diversity is something that keeps online games alive and the lack of which kills them. The Huey isn't enough to make the USMC fun for another year or two. The US Army is.

So bring Canada. The US Army. France, Germany, Russia, and whoever else. The Israelis would be fun cause of their large bank of native modern weaponry.

I like the idea that this mod isn't meant to be another iteration of the "America is the centre of reality" thing that happens in all the movies.

[Swe_Olsson]

I will tell you what equipment the US Army will have, ( Rambo,Bow + Arrow )

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mEhllmopd ... re=related[/youtube]

[Drude]

Don't forget the really awesome ACU Digital MARPAT camo! The best!

Here ya can see the US ARMY in action equiped with M4s(ACOG optics), M249 SAW(ECLAN optics), knee-pads, night-vision/googles, sun glasses, tactical vests, etc.. By the way, you can see a Stryker M2-mounted CROWS in the left background. Just like already mentioned, it's the official armoured troop transporter of the US Army.

ACU = Army Combat Uniform.
MARPAT = MARine PATtern.

Dont mix them up.

[Saint]

Would be "KATE" the Sniper Rifle for the US Army?

U.S. Army M24 Sniper Weapon System

[Jimmy_Smack]

Those boys look so lovely in their little outfits.Oh I just want to eat the U.S. Army up. Look at all their different colored hats!

reference:

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