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BeerHunter wrote:After giving it some thought, trying to figure out why games such as PRM , ArmedA ,Americas Army etc which are supposed to be “realism” based games all seem to end up playing like CS/DoD it finally dawned on me.

These are basically RPG’s and few actually immerse themselves in the game and play it as it was meant to be played..realistically. Instead they simply bring their normal FPS techniques to the game and barge ahead almost hindered by the developers attempt to instill a sense of realism in their game.

For example, if you are trying to qualify as a pilot in the armed forces and during a simulator training exercise decided to do a barrel roll at 50’ just to see if it can be done, you’d be dropped and out on you arse before the ink on the discharge papers dried.

In RL , in combat , if you see an enemy running into building you certainly wouldn’t simply kick open the door and charge in as there are too many ambush spots inside right? You’d either flag the building as potentially hot or use back up and clearing techniques.

How many times have you seen some player simply go “Hollywood” and charge in guns blazing?? In RL there are established techniques for clearing a building and none of them involve kicking open a door and charging in blind. Not very realistic is it?

Now I realize that the vast majority of gamers online are young, immature and that most lack the imagination to role-play or simply don’t wan to bother. This is no fault of theirs; it’s simply their nature or upbringing.

But it did shed some light on why, every once in a while you get into one of those magical squads in PRM that work as a solid, cohesive unit while quit often you may as well log off and go play CoD4 because that’s what it feels like your playing.

'[T wrote:Terranova7;676037']Actually, in many ways clan matches are very run & gun too. There is some strategy involved but for the most part tactics are very similar to pub games. This is only because it's the most effective way of playing the game right now. You sprint toward your objective/s, use your hyped up reflexes to drop to the floor and headshot any opponents you come across, and continue what you were doing. Stacking up on a door before breaching, using suppressing fire, bounding over watch etc. may be cool, but such tactics still don't provide a significant advantage over the typical FPS syndrome of run n gun.

Truth is, there never will be an ultimate realism game because it's still just a game. Players don't worry about real world consequences such as death, loss of a limb, court marshals (Teamkillers & disobedient squad members), getting back to a loved one etc. All PR can hope to do is create a realistic environment where real world reactions, tactics and methods become the best way of playing the game. The problem is though that in order to accomplish that goal, radical changes we have to be done (Which I would have no problems with mind you)

Sirsolo wrote:In a lot of cases, you can make the experience of realism by either forcing it on others yourself,(being squadleader) or by being with an awsome squadleader.


Here's some tips to do this as an SL:

1) Do what most dont: Dont attack flags. Or hell, dont attack at all. Being Defence can be just as fun, and a lot less dangerous. Defend specific points on a map instead of flags. What I find to be usefull is to defend Roads.

2) Set out ground rules:
Some of mine are: No chatter, No firing until my go, Assign kits, No changing kits without my go/request, Specific instructions for all classes.

3) Dont be afraid to kick.
If people are being dickheads: ex. "____ Spawn medic" *Gets a Marksman kit*
Just tell them that you need teamplayers and simply kick. My favourite line is: "You're useless to me.. goodbye"

4) Keep some of the standard kits: My kits, that I require on all maps: Officer(me) Medic, Rifleman (ammo) Engineer. Always.

Dont mean to brag, but Im one hell of an SL when I try.

Seven Gates: The crossroad in the B-C column at that village place was unpassible.
My squad, with 2 engineers, took out 4 APC's, 2 Trucks, and held up 3 APC's by the time the round ended (the 3 APC's were still trying to get rid of us. They were Afraid of going through the village (with good reason =P). A squad came with a truck, didnt want to go into our hotzone: Here's how it went down.

"Squad coming in, Truck."
"Copy. Hold your fire"
*Truck stops, three guys hop out, throw smoke*
"Hold..."
*Three guys start taking up positions on a building*
"Weapons free-Fire at will"
*3 on each side of the road, my squad, All open up at the same time.*

The enemy squad went down within 4 seconds. It brought tears to my eyes. This was on a public server. It's possible.

~Sirsolo

TheScot666 wrote:what scares me is you say well people don't fear to die. But IRL suicide bombers and terrorist don't fear for their lives, which means they want to die, and will take down hundreds of people if they can.

Killer-Ape wrote:This may sound corny but “It’s just a game”.

Sabre_tooth_tigger wrote:Lies, I saw a xbox controller in a uk army ad. This is for real man

YouTube - Army Jobs ad (UAV) with Xbox contoller.

flem615 wrote:Quote:
((First the assault rifles are WAY to uber accurate. Much more so than real world "standard issue" weapons. Head shots are soooooooo common in game (regardless of range) that it isn't even funny anymore. Yes I am aware that the ballistics and such are being worked on at this time. I'm hopeful that they can pull it off.))


Ahem... during the battle of Fallujah, Iraq, the marines got so many headshots they had to launch an investigation to determine if they were executing prisoners or not. of course the marines were innocent, there just good at what they do. weapons are very accurate these days, any drastic loss of accuracy is due to the user, not the gun. IRL of course.

flem615 wrote: Ahem... during the battle of Fallujah, Iraq, the marines got so many headshots they had to launch an investigation to determine if they were executing prisoners or not. of course the marines were innocent, there just good at what they do. weapons are very accurate these days, any drastic loss of accuracy is due to the user, not the gun. IRL of course.

Rico11b wrote:Na, if i want that much realism I'll just re-enlist. I do want my weapons to be realistic as well as my human player character model. I would also like my player model character to have human abilities, not SUPER DUPER human abilities.

Besides respawns are needed to simulate a much larger force. Each time you spawn into the game, you spawn in as a replacement soldier. Not the same guy you were before you were KIA. Think of it as a way of getting around the 32 player per side limitation

gazzthompson wrote:any source of this?

gazzthompson wrote:any source of this?

Tirak wrote:Here's the vid

YouTube - TOP 10 :Combat Rifles - M16(No.2)

It's at the 4:30 mark