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dam... insurgents should be able to do that at least

talking about another thing... i think brits need a little work on their appearance uh? they look really little and fat. like oompa loompas with a helmet...lolz

jubasniper00 wrote:talking about another thing... i think brits need a little work on their appearance uh? they look really little and fat. like oompa loompas with a helmet...lolz

True, but more to the point the PR team, and BF2 can't make use of the real life AK-47/74 weapons real saveing graces that keep it in front line service with many armies in the world:

Reliability: It's the by fare most reliable assault rifle ever made: All AK-47s are dragged though sand, and diped in water before fireing for weapons testing before shippments, then they are fired without cleaning.

IE they always work unless the operatior sees fit to make a bad mod for it and or break something on the gun. An AK-47 that has been in the mud for 3 days during a rain season may not shoot as well as it could if cleaned off, but it will shoot. Thats the major difference in the AK-47/74 line of weapons then the M16 line.

M16s even the newer A4 models still jam more then any other weapon in front line military service. It's a great weapon for jungle fighting where ammo is key to staying alive, but in urbin warfare it's too big, to long and dust and sand that coat the deserts of the world reek havoc on all M16A4s.

You have to spend every 4 hours cleaning your M16A4 when your not in combat, even one tiny grain of sand can cause a real life M16A4 to sease up and jam.

You can teach a monky to clean a AK-47 in 4 hours, you have to spend over 4 weeks to teach a USMC/US Army solider to clean his M16A4.

Again the AK-47s major reliablity can't be simulated in BF2s Engine, so we have to ballance the weapons out on their other features.

IMHO the AK-47s need all their fire modes: They have 3 in real life, but in PR we only get two.

It gose like this on real life AK-47 fire selectors:

Full Auto, Burst fire, Semi Auto

M16A4s only have the fallowing:

Smi Auto, Burst Fire: This was done for jungle warfare to help the troops conserve ammo and pick and choose their shots.

Gunwing wrote:Reliability: It's the by fare most reliable assault rifle ever made: All AK-47s are dragged though sand, and diped in water before fireing for weapons testing before shippments, then they are fired without cleaning.

Speaking from personal experience are we? Done reliability studies for every single assault rifle ever made? Found studies which point towards this? I've seen similar tests done with MP7's and Saiga 12 shotguns.

Gunwing wrote:M16s even the newer A4 models still jam more then any other weapon in front line military service.

Uh huh. Wanna back that up bold statement perhaps?

Gunwing wrote:You have to spend every 4 hours cleaning your M16A4 when your not in combat, even one tiny grain of sand can cause a real life M16A4 to sease up and jam.

If you keep your weapon in clean conditions I seriously doubt you would need to clean it every four hours. A single grain of sand can cause a real life M16A4 to "sease up and jam", says who?

Gunwing wrote:IMHO the AK-47s need all their fire modes: They have 3 in real life, but in PR we only get two.

It gose like this on real life AK-47 fire selectors:

Full Auto, Burst fire, Semi Auto

M16A4s only have the fallowing:

Smi Auto, Burst Fire: This was done for jungle warfare to help the troops conserve ammo and pick and choose their shots.

True, AK-47's have three fire modes. That much is correct. One of them is not "burst" though, it is "safe". The M16A4 also has a "safe" selection as it happens. I think one of the major reasons that the burst fire was adopted for the latter M16 models was because shooting at nothing (because your rounds go off target) becomes very expensive.

For the love of god let's not have this descend into an M16 vs AK/any other rifle thread.

AK 47 with burst fire...?

[R-MOD]Masaq wrote:It's not that the engine is **** for it, it's that we can't edit original BF2 statics; so any original BF2 static will always remain unpenetratable. You can't just use a bunch of new materials to make them behave the way you want them to.

I wouldnt say anything... :innocent whistle:

[R-CON]OkitaMakoto wrote:I wouldnt say anything... :innocent whistle:

A poly here and a vertex there, noone would know the difference xD

Jk

[R-CON]OkitaMakoto wrote:I wouldnt say anything... :innocent whistle:

S'ok, didn't you see the news update in the Public Relations forum that we've signed the entire mod over into your name in case of EA legal trouble?

[R-MOD]Masaq wrote:S'ok, didn't you see the news update in the Public Relations forum that we've signed the entire mod over into your name in case of EA legal trouble?

So then where's my R-DEV tag? Or better yet, R-OKITAMAKOTO?

As far as bullet penetration goes, PR is well on its way to being solely reliant on its own statics, hell, we really are already, its just if you want those old EA city buildings... Im pretty sure that fairly soon PR will be bale to make ALL of its maps solely using its own statics.. it pretty much can already anyway, just need a bit more variety

sector7g wrote: Please watch this Youtube link for the Facts of the matter.
YouTube - AK 47 vs M16

Like this video hasn't been posted a hundred times and been proclaimed as the bible by its many posters.

So if we spot a pr static will it have more complicated penetration characteristics or will it be a future project to update these details all at once

That's an M16A1 btw...

And,yea,AK-47's on good thing,is the 7.62, and it's durable....But, It's ugly,jams,and has lots of recoil...

Maybe put out a smattering of AK74s?(not S for folding stock I mean s as in plural) Its got a similar round to the -16 and -85. Maybe give militia it as the scoped riflemens kit with a kobra or whatever that SAIT rip off is called

The militia officer gets a ak74 I think, its more accurate

Nope guide says 101 and grenadier gets one too

http://guide.realitymod.com/index.php?t ... ons#AK-101


Mec Grenadier gets ak101 too

In a future version of PR the MEC Grenadier weapon will be replaced by the G3A3 w/HK79 UGL .

AK74s?(not S for folding stock I mean s as in plural)

("AK74's" would have been easier )

I like the AK47 for close quarters, dont know why, but i like it.

The militia officer has an AK-101, same with Ins. officer...

Spec_Operator wrote:("AK74's" would have been easier )

I like the AK47 for close quarters, dont know why, but i like it.

Maybe you could show me how to use it then, because i cant hit anything with it. whenever i shoot at targets with it i always have to use single shot firing mode and the reticle is just too awkward to use. :/

Spec_Operator wrote:("AK74's" would have been easier )

That would have been a possessive apostrophe. As such he would have been referring to the smattering belonging to the AK-74.

Anyway, as I've said on many other occasions, the AK-47 was not designed with the intention of putting it up against more accurate, scoped rifles 40 years its junior at long range. Go in close, go in hard and go in full auto.

The insurgents (and to a lesser extent, the malitia) are designed to force the British/US into close range fights. If they want to blow the caches on Basrah, they have to come into the city, the Insurgents don't have to go out into the desert.

Use your snipers to get their attention and make them draw into the city, wait for them to be at >50m range, then hit them with everything you've got.

At close range the AK-47 eats the L85 and M16 for breakfast. It fires a more powerful round at the same rate as the L85, and full auto compared to the M16's 3 round burst and at short range the additional deviation and the recoil don't really matter. Add into that the Insurgent's abundance of RPGs, PKMs and IEDs and they have excellent short range firepower. They are designed for quick firefights at short range, which is why they carry short range weapons with light ammo loads.

sector7g wrote:
So that brings me smartly along to the next point. What advantages does an AK47 have over M16/SA80 - well it is to do with the rounds that an AK47 fires. Yes they are innacurate after 200 yards. How ever an AK47 Round will easily penetrate a Brick wall within that distance, killing what ever is using the wall as cover - an M16 will not pentrate a brick wall. It would be nice if the Dev's could include this sort of bullet balistic to the game. This would bring a whole new edge to the game for insurgents.

Please watch this Youtube link for the Facts of the matter.
YouTube - AK 47 vs M16

i would like to mention that the AK's originally inteneded 7.62 mm completely steel rounds do penetrate well, BUT not the more recent and most comonly used soft tipped rounds which are designed to tumble after impact.