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[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;722217']when it comes to racism it just crosses the line but getting banned for saying "arhhhh it i got shot out of the cockpit" is pretty gay....[/quote]

[quote="Ironcomatose""]**[R-DEV]Rhin0 you have been KICKED/BANNED, reason follows bellow....


Use of inappropriate language---the word "GAY"[/quote]
But he didn't say "gay", he was referring to "****" in "cockpit".

And all those who come up and say he didn't say "g * *" just goes along with the bandwagon.
If you want to point someone out on their language, do mind to remove the words and place a substitute. rofl

=HOG=COEMAN wrote:FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!

It's a right you have in the Free World

That's why I allow cursing on =HOG= servers, but racist remarks will not score you any brownie points, just a ban.

As a admin, if I had to ban every player that cursed on my servers, they would be nobody lefted to play the game. Just my 2 cents....

This 'freedom of speech' statement is rolled out from time to time, and usually (for example in your case) it's completely misunderstood.

Yes, we're on the internet. However, you DO NOT have 'freedom of speech' everywhere your online travels take you.

• You DO NOT have freedom of speech on forums. They are the private property of the site owner, who could be legally liable for the content published.

• You DO NOT have freedom of speech on gameservers. They are the private property of the server owners, who can (and do) dictate how they wish that environment be managed. If you do not like it, you go elsewhere.

The common denominator here is 'private property'. Even though internet sites & servers are, in the most part, intangible, they are still owned by someone, funded by someone, and therefore, ruled over by someone.

Write a letter to your favourite newspaper calling the proprietor a d*ck, and you won't get your letter published. Sure - you're within your rights to say it, but the owner of the paper will make the decision on whether or not it can be published.

And anyway, in civilised society, whilst we have certain freedoms of expression, the 'powers that be' are within their rights to sanction us if we're inappropriate in how we exercise those hard fought freedoms.

You're quite within your rights to walk the streets shouting expletives at the top of your voice. But when the police come along and bundle you into their van, they're only doing their job.

I've always preferred playing in the "big boy" servers. The ones that impose minimal to no restrictions on the player, letting you swear, camp, and whore weapons until your heart's content. Anybody who can say with a straight face that swearing is bad, but graphically depicting the violent execution of an entire platoon is not only not bad, but good, is a bit of a tit.

When it comes to the "think of the children" argument, I have two responses. 1) It's nothing they haven't heard already. 2) To hell with the children.

Next we have the "lack of vocabulary" argument and its good friend the "say something different instead" argument. Most swear words are used to bolster the meaning of a sentence or inject emotion. "Oh, it appears my leg has a rather nasty injury" doesn't sound quite as urgent as "Oh fuck, I've been shot in the goddamned leg! Why in the hell aren't you helping me already?!". The implication that everybody exists born with a thesaurus isn't really legit either, why do I say "string" when I could say band, chain, cord, file, line, queue, rope, row, series, strand, train, or twine? Because I want to convey the message properly and only certain things will actually fit.

Aside from all that, the message is even more offensive than the word in the first place. If I insisted than you marinate my meat stick for a while in your tongue house, does that make you feel any better than if I just came out with the alternative? But Kinote! Isn't that a contradiction? Didn't you say the words can't be substituted for others without losing the real meaning? Yeah, I did. In some cases it won't work as the message won't be clear to the recipient and thus, loses its meaning, or simply doesn't carry the emotional weight intended by the speaker. Similar to how being "killed in cold blood" is worse than being just plain killed. Anyone who made the claims stated in the previous paragraph and can't quite grasp the concept of this one may want to re-evaluate their self proclaimed command of the English language.

epoch wrote:legally liable for the content published.

For we lowly peons, can you explain how exactly you could be held legally liable in any fashion for people swearing in an online game rated for a Teen audience and states that online play may change the rating, or on a message board with a similar rating given the COPPA act?

One more thing. Shitty chat filters. The example earlier, being kicked for the word cockpit, n00b and all its variants, and all the other innocent words that happen to have the misfortune to be composed of some evil letters, is an absolute crock. For every "deny" list there should be an "exception" list about ten times as long so innocent things don't ruin your day. I cocked the hammer, I did not external male reproductive organ made of erectile tissue that allows passage of urine, seminal fluid, and sperm'd, the hammer.

While I'm on the rantboat, I'll take a shot at Masaq. Family friendly? Erotic depictions of breasts are a-ok, but (excessive) swearing has to go? C'mon! =D

Wow.. What is cursing going to do to a kid? Oh look mommy i learned a new word !

Nothing. THe kids going to learn it eventually anyways, and its just a word.
The killing.. Oh wow.. Watching the news for 5 minutes will hurt a child more.
" Man crush under car, decapitated "
Or.
" Oh I shot a guy in a virtural world and saw a little blood puf! oh noes!

Seirously ..

Clean language is nicer. And shows maturity and professionalism: deal with things without going out of your mind. Keep it inside, keep it cool.
I hate to see the F-word or whatever swearword/curse every 10 seconds on my screen. Perhaps you don't have a problem with it, I do. Main reason why I don't want it spamming my screen.

Kinote wrote:For we lowly peons, can you explain how exactly you could be held legally liable in any fashion for people swearing in an online game rated for a Teen audience and states that online play may change the rating, or on a message board with a similar rating given the COPPA act?

I didn't say anything about legal liability in relation to online games. Also, I was addressing the misconception of 'free speech' on the internet in broader terms, not specifically in relation to swearing.

To answer your question, in law, a website could potentially be held liable for content posted by others, for example something defamatory, or perhaps posting of links to 'warez' software. The reason for this is that the website owner is considered the 'publisher' of the material, and therefore should be aware of the content. This has been tested in law (certainly in the US and UK).

So, for example, if Person A makes a forum post stating something libelous about Person B, the website owner could be sued (and also, of course, the poster - it's not easy being anonymous on the internet).

Anyway, we're slightly OT here. My aim was to point out that free speech is not a implicit right on the internet, and also that websites, servers etc are privately owned and therefore the guests who use them should obey the rules laid down.

Epoch: He Speaks The Truth (Tm)

As far as I'm concerned it's not about kids seeing rude words, it's about respecting other people's servers (and the legal responsibilities that come with that in the case of forums) and having some common decency and respect for other people.

[R-DEV]AfterDune wrote:I hate to see the F-word or whatever swearword/curse every 10 seconds on my screen. Perhaps you don't have a problem with it, I do. Main reason why I don't want it spamming my screen.

F words every 10 seconds is a totally different story than the odd times. If someone was swearing every 10 seconds, he's obviously being annoying and should be kicked. Also, people swearing AT people and being obnoxious is not acceptable, but you can do that without swearing just as easily.

But I mean if something funny or epic happens in the game and you are like "lol shit that was hilarious!" I don't see the harm.

Certainly servers have the right to ban swearing - servers have the right to do all kinds of things, it's their server. They could ban the word "hello" and that would be their right. I would never argue against that right. But I would just say that in my opinion there should be no language filters on FPS gaming servers. Belligerent or abusive people should get kicked, sure, but I don't see how that goes hand in hand with a language filter.

'[T wrote:BludShoT;722754']F words every 10 seconds is a totally different story than the odd times. If someone was swearing every 10 seconds, he's obviously being annoying and should be kicked. Also, people swearing AT people and being obnoxious is not acceptable, but you can do that without swearing just as easily.

Na, not talking about one person in particular, just many people saying all kinds of stuff. Unnecessary in my opinion.

To be honest, I never have a problem with a swear filter. Just throw the words at your mic or screen or whatever. Why spend the time to actually type what you thought of and have shouted out loud already?
Of course it's cool to mention hilarious things, but no need to use swearwords in those sentences if you ask me.
Though I do agree a filter shouldn't kick you straight away, unless what you say is really bad (racism stuff for example). That's why we have variables storing the "warning points"!

i swear in cockney ryming slang if nessacary.

it used to be okay as all the british insults got round the .:iGi:. swear filter but then afterdune added them

Kinote wrote:While I'm on the rantboat, I'll take a shot at Masaq. Family friendly? Erotic depictions of breasts are a-ok, but (excessive) swearing has to go? C'mon! =D

LULZ.

'[R-DEV wrote:Katarn;722790']




LULZ.

Damn you Devs and your untouchable shield of blue... *waves his banhammer impotently*

*Waves Blue Lantern Ring impotently*

I must say I dont like 2 things when using VOIP, whining and cursing. You know
guy gets shot and then starts blaming how everybody cheats (no proof of course). I understand that this mod can be very frustrating but this doesn't mean you have to punish your co players with your ****. Actually its happens to everyone, from time to time. When im squad leader I expect that ppl in my squad behave and being mature and polite.

I hope that this playing culture will improve on servers, actually I don't play PR because of that at moment.

Sorry that I started my first post with negative note, I have played this mod from early versions and I still think its the best one

I will warn and then kick and if required, ban, anyone from the T&T server if they cause a flame war... these normally start with a crass insult.

Therefore cursing is frowned upon. I have no problem with swearing.. but, ingame, it normally starts a 'spam flame chat war'... and these are VERY boring and distracting from having some gaming fun.

I swear like a sailor in VOIP and in the heat of a firefight with my squad, Tis just what I do lol however when its spammed in chat or use in a tone of anger then the swearing aggrivates the offence more so than a regular flaming tis alright when used in voip and jest n so forth but thats just me

=HOG=COEMAN wrote:FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!

It's a right you have in the Free World

That's why I allow cursing on =HOG= servers, but racist remarks will not score you any brownie points, just a ban.

As a admin, if I had to ban every player that cursed on my servers, they would be nobody lefted to play the game. Just my 2 cents....

that's how i would do it.

there's tons of cursing in striketeam squads. war is ugly.

Threedroogs wrote:that's how i would do it.

there's tons of cursing in striketeam squads. war is ugly.

Yeah, and guess what - you're not at war. The vast majority of us are.

It's also interesting to note that those forum members who either are at war or who have been to war in the past are usually some of the more even-tempered people who tend not to resort to using expletives and foul/abusive language.

They of all people know that PR is just a game and not supposed to be a detail-perfect bedroom redition of a battlefield.

You want to swear, go ahead. Shout and yell at your screen. Just don't fill up VOIP with it when people are trying to communicate important information over it and don't fill people's screens with it over text chat.

'[R-MOD wrote:Masaq;723535']Yeah, and guess what - you're not at war. The vast majority of us are.

It's also interesting to note that those forum members who either are at war or who have been to war in the past are usually some of the more even-tempered people who tend not to resort to using expletives and foul/abusive language.

They of all people know that PR is just a game and not supposed to be a detail-perfect bedroom redition of a battlefield.

You want to swear, go ahead. Shout and yell at your screen. Just don't fill up VOIP with it when people are trying to communicate important information over it and don't fill people's screens with it over text chat.

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relax...it was a joke.

i never write cursewords out in text, but i will speak however i choose in my squad (unless an admin came in and asked me not to cuss, which has never happened). people can curse all they want in my squad as long as they are giving me the important info. a few of the people i play with, including me, often drink while playing PR, and cursewords will fly during intense firefights.