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[R-CON]Deer wrote:PR used to make completely random ppls go together, form squad, and do very nice teamwork. Some ppls did less teamwork and some did more, but point is that when it was possible for ppls to stay together so easily, everyone did _automaticly_ somekind of teamwork with other squad members.

You know what's the problem there ? People like myself, who are just frustrated of keeping a bunch of unwilling, selfish newbies together and lead em to victory. I know so many that think alike and just create locked squads where we invite our mates and others who know how to play just because we don't bother about the average new guy anymore.

And the bad thing is that I already know that I won't invite anyone I don't know and who doesn't ask to be invited in a polite way, just so i can have a good time with me squad instead of giving some new guys a good first round - I try to get newbies who are actually behaving resonable going, but the number of those people is low.

It just was easier to get a new guy filled in back in the days of 0.5, and now gameplay is sooo much more complicated and being sleader in an open squad often feels more like herding a pack of fleas.

Phoenix.86 wrote: It just was easier to get a new guy filled in back in the days of 0.5, and now gameplay is sooo much more complicated and being sleader in an open squad often feels more like herding a pack of fleas.

Exactly, because of public squadleaders doesnt have the tool called "squadleader spawnpoint" they cannot do their job as a leader, its too hard or too frustrating for 95% of them to control fleas without that tool. Even with Voip.

It's funny to read this stuff. It's not and never has been your vision, what you are playing is just another step towards what the creators envisioned long ago. That means you have been playing a WIP the entire time, YOU may have thought .5 (or whatever version) was the best or was your style, but again, you are not the makers, only the players.

The older versions were fun, but not at all tactical or realistic, I remember slaying people en mass, ever game, hardly dying, never running out of ammo and moving all over the maps by my self on foot with ease. With each release, the rambo capability has been reduced, the game has been slowed down, you need others to do anything effectively ect. Which are good things, yes the style changes but you must remember again, you are playing a WIP of other peoples vision and you have had years of entertainment from it. If you have lost the love, it's time to move on I guess, but there will be someone to take your place who has found a game they have been searching for, slow, tactical, maybe even tedious, there are those who enjoy it.

PR for me is the only realistic oriented FPS worth playing, ArmA is ****, and this has bridged the gap. As far as boring, sure there are times when there isn't much going on, but there are as many if not more times where I have seen some epic things go down, just by being in the right (or wrong) place at the right time. The other day I was playing mutrah and this dude and I were running out of a building, just in time to see a little bird come into view around a corner flying tail first into the ground and explode 10 feet from us. Only to be followed by a cobra doing a rocket strafe down the same road and vapoorize some baddies who would have ambushed us, right place right time.

PR is the best combined arms game you can play ATM.

SiN|ScarFace wrote:It's funny to read this stuff. It's not and never has been your vision, what you are playing is just another step towards what the creators envisioned long ago. That means you have been playing a WIP the entire time, YOU may have thought .5 (or whatever version) was the best or was your style, but again, you are not the makers, only the players.

Not saying it isnt fun anymore - in fact i love .8

It's just that i will more likely not have a new guy in my squad, god beware opening a VOIP ENGLISH one. Just because i prefer playing with buddies/vets who don't fuck up 24/7 and cost my nerves.

Phoenix.86 wrote:Not saying it isnt fun anymore - in fact i love .8

It's just that i will more likely not have a new guy in my squad, god beware opening a VOIP ENGLISH one. Just because i prefer playing with buddies/vets who don't fuck up 24/7 and cost my nerves.

I agree, I am not and never have been a hand holder. It's the main reason why I rarely make a squad. Nothing is worse than making a squad and the members start giving direction to me and others. I tend to play slow, and as a result I stay alive. Countless times I'll be in a squad and we get engaged, they all die and I'm still alive, and can break contact and even regroup with them 10-15min later somewhere else, and get there on foot, slowly and carefully.

Most are not capable of patience or sitting in one spot for more than 60 seconds.

ScarFace, what your saying is pretty accurate, however at the end of the day it is still a game, and we all log on and play because we want to have fun. We dont want all the BS arcade style BF2 we want something more real. Still it is a fine line when you cross over to far into realizim.

Your right its not mine or 99.99% of the other players vision, but at the same time alot of people (not myself or you as far as i know) have contributed money. Those people at the very least should IMO have some stake in the development. However that is not my decision.

All im saying is that there is a fine line between a fun online gaming experience, and realizim over kill........ i pose the question of where is that line?

No disrespect to the Veterans that play the game (being one myself) but if you all want relizim join the Armed forces and deploy.

Preston

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PR would be the BEST if it was v0.76 with some .8 features like heavy mg placements, new maps, ins hideouts, new weapons (like RPG-29), and new vehicles.

to me, imho, the slower gameplay can actually make it harder to work as a team beacuase it is HARDER to catch up with the squad >less run/walk, longer time to deploy weapons.

yes it is better for teamplay (which i love) but it makes the actually games i play worse because it is harder to find such teamwork. sometimes especially after a game it +30 mins in, all the squads are fragmented with ppl leaving and joining. its like we are all searching. i love playing 60+ player pub games, but now its a cluster fuck without the action, imho.

I enjoyed games like R6, where you die, often, and swiftly. I don't think PR is even close to an uber realism game, let alone a simulation. It's a tactical shooter, which requires a high level of coordination to get the best experience. Yes such coordination is lacking in pub games, but that is a problem of the people not the game.

I'm playing PR more than ever at the minute, i played since 0.7, i love the new animations (except auto rifleman) and the power of squad leaders to place machine guns/firebases without commander.

the new version just seems a much more complete version of PR, the way it's supposed to be

ive been playing pr less since .8,i feel the player base has become worse than ever with the new release. also im more busy at college now and the lagg i suffer due lack of ram on all of the new maps has serverly dimished my playing experience. ive had some great fun rounds but most just are a bit lame due to lagg or bad players or both.

Cant wait till the tourney is back up

0.8 made me reactivate my WoW account.

Boda1 wrote:0.8 made me reactivate my WoW account.

Seriously, it's not that bad!

Deadfast wrote:Seriously, it's not that bad!

But still that bad it made me reactivate my vBF2142 account...

Maybe there will be an exodus and then we will have quality instead of quantity.

SiN|ScarFace wrote:It's funny to read this stuff. It's not and never has been your vision, what you are playing is just another step towards what the creators envisioned long ago. That means you have been playing a WIP the entire time, YOU may have thought .5 (or whatever version) was the best or was your style, but again, you are not the makers, only the players.

The older versions were fun, but not at all tactical or realistic, I remember slaying people en mass, ever game, hardly dying, never running out of ammo and moving all over the maps by my self on foot with ease. With each release, the rambo capability has been reduced, the game has been slowed down, you need others to do anything effectively ect. Which are good things, yes the style changes but you must remember again, you are playing a WIP of other peoples vision and you have had years of entertainment from it. If you have lost the love, it's time to move on I guess, but there will be someone to take your place who has found a game they have been searching for, slow, tactical, maybe even tedious, there are those who enjoy it.

PR for me is the only realistic oriented FPS worth playing, ArmA is ****, and this has bridged the gap. As far as boring, sure there are times when there isn't much going on, but there are as many if not more times where I have seen some epic things go down, just by being in the right (or wrong) place at the right time. The other day I was playing mutrah and this dude and I were running out of a building, just in time to see a little bird come into view around a corner flying tail first into the ground and explode 10 feet from us. Only to be followed by a cobra doing a rocket strafe down the same road and vapoorize some baddies who would have ambushed us, right place right time.

PR is the best combined arms game you can play ATM.

@scarface:

i see you're point, but i'm not just talking with USMC. I love playing conventional armies, cause they are realistic when you get a great team and stuff. Sadly they need to scale it back to make it so people will be commander now, cause now there isn't any teamwork and i actually almost got MUTINIED in .8... thats NEVER happened.

My biggest issue, and we have a thread for it already, is insurgents and militia. They aren't that tough up set in stone completely tactical group. It's supposed to be a fun group, sure there is some tactics as an insurgent, but really we just wanna go out and score us some brits or usmc, maybe a tank or 2.

I love the conventionals, dislike militia or insurgency, and for some reason the chinese don't really seem that fun either.. it's quite pathetic.

We went from "imbalanced realism" to "balance gameplay reasoning"...

Pros of .8
-animations
-"friendly fire" smoke
-new medic =D
-new assets
-korengal
-korengal again
-al basrah and archer actually don't crash
-red dots
-doors that open
-new vehics
-slower gameplay (which as a usmc or brit or chinese i'm fine with.. insurgents ARE run and gun though... no matter what you guys say, they're SUPPOSED to be)

Don't really care's of .8
-deviation: I don't really mind it, as long as i got a red dot scope.. i'm fine
-sprint: really, i wish it came back just .3 seconds faster or so, but i'm fine with it too
-shaking weapons when standing or crouching from prone: i enjoy it sometimes, hate it others. oh well
-more people with shovels
-new engi kit: i actually use this on korengal the most really it's an awesome kit and quite useful
-the GOOD new players: i enjoy new players, just i haven't seen that many nice/friendly ones
-blood screen: well at least it doesn't **** out my fps anymore, still freaks me out


cons of .8
-... the BAD kind of new player
-commander is useless
-without commander, teamwork across the entire TEAM is shot
-rally point system... destroying one is more about luck and coicidence of running in the vicinity.. really i'm sure all you have to do is have a low flying helo go across the map with a full squad, and you're good.... but i'm not sure if thats how it's coded
-insurgency has been too balanced. need more caches or SOMETHING to spread them out more.
-insurgency has too much of a punishment for being.. well, insurgent-like.
Insurgents are pretty much like noobs.
but slightly more tactical
and crappier weapons.

{I think having bad weapons is a good enough punishment sorry to say. Give the brits a vcp spawn point again or something like that. Or maybe put a base on the other side of that big river that no one really goes over to... give them some trucks and boats over their or something..}

-militia too organized as well, many of the same issues as the insurgents
-due to the usmc/brits and insurgents being on equal ground, being a usmc/brit in enemy territory is actually less scary cause you know they'll probably be doing some kind of tactical strategy. Bad. Random strategy is a good thing for insurgents, as the usmc/brits have limited resources, they'll have to be looking everywhere for you, and prepared to see you at every corner... sadly this isn't a part of it anymore...

and i'm tired so i'm done complaining

I hate to say it but when the new patch was released the DEV's main focus seemed to be how many downloads rather than the quality of the people playing. This was what really made me feel like it was drifing towards vanilla.

I still like the mod, a lot, but in my eyes this is a bad attitude. The support seems to be more and more flamed and locked by the day. Same with feedback and suggestions. I raised this in the feedback forums a while back. Aren't people supposed to be free to say what they think?

I hear what you are saying but I don't feel your pain. .8 wasn't an incremental update, it pretty much changed the way PR is played totally. That's why there are threads like these. A lot of people pretty much got tossed off the wagon style wise, but like I said it isn't for everyone.

Even on pubs, and how it's not ideal, I still see more people playing their role properly now more than ever before.

I will agree that without a commander the experience is lacking.

You'd like to think so.

TAW_Cutthroat wrote: I still like the mod, a lot, but in my eyes this is a bad attitude. The support seems to be more and more flamed and locked by the day. Same with feedback and suggestions. I raised this in the feedback forums a while back. Aren't people supposed to be free to say what they think?

Guys, I'll half save you from Masaq or a MOD, the forums ain't a democracy, remember Or at least that's what I have been told.

SuperTimo wrote:ive been playing pr less since .8,i feel the player base has become worse than ever with the new release. also im more busy at college now and the lagg i suffer due lack of ram on all of the new maps has serverly dimished my playing experience. ive had some great fun rounds but most just are a bit lame due to lagg or bad players or both.

Cant wait till the tourney is back up

Better bloody get more RAM before tourney starts

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