Tank Destroyers

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Kruder
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Re: Tank Destroyers

Post by Kruder »

AnRK wrote:Aren't tank destroyers completely out and out obsolete now anyway? Since the advent of the MBT, I was under the impression that any tank destroyers still about would be so old that they weren't remotely capable of taking out modern armour.



Enfields are very old rifles though (obviously), and it makes sense, due to the British empires presence at the time of their use, that there will be many left in commonwealth countries and other countries such as Iraq and Palestine which we were in control of, or took control of, during WWI. According to Wiki's sources 17,000,000 were manufactured, so that in consideration too it's understandable they got about a bit.
But not in georgian ex red army fraction(still assuming).I am sure an enfield'd cost more than an average ak-47 in any of the ex-ussr nations/east europe,not to mention possible ammo problems of course.Also why an army/militia having tanks/HATs/APC's would issue a ww2- era bolt action rifle,especially if they are entrenched in a dense forest.Anyway dont wanna hijack the thread,its about tanks for militia.

And no they are not completely obsolete afaik,sweden developed a turretless a very low profile tank in 80s(source discovery channel),to slow down soviets' tank advance.But yes militia getting one of those impossible,at least almost impossible.
DeltaFart
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But them getting a recoilless rifle from a warehouse not so hard
Expendable Grunt
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Re: Tank Destroyers

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DeltaFart wrote:That would be pretty sweet, only one issue, it takes 2 guys to carry the gun one for the tripod then a bujnch of guys for the ammo. Its just not realistic to have 1 guy carry all that
Same group requirements as a rally, then.
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DeltaFart
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Re: Tank Destroyers

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Maybe just give the militia an RPG29 from the ruskies when they finish it for HAT. This would be more on par with the militia having a tow vehicle
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DeltaFart wrote:Find an example of a Tank Destroyer that has been produced in a large amount and has been known to circulate around teh world. Then I'll agree with you. ANd not one that the swiss or swedes has been using until the 90s, since that wouldn't have time to spread throughout the world and have its ammo follow it easily
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rexik
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Lol if I'm correct priest was in Battlefield 1942. How militia will get American tank destroyer ? :? :

About SPG9 it's more realistic than getting any Brit or American tank destroyer or their weapons that was used against tanks in WWII, about that SWE tank, Tank was made only for deff against soviets and it's good only on SWE lands because of it's towerless... ( source Discovery channel (lol) )
So if something will be added it's better SPG9 than any of the unreal getting tank destroyers.
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Japub
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Now, now, that's of Swedish design, not Swiss! Just had to point that out. Swedish.
FastWinston
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Post by FastWinston »

The russian VDV uses a lot of different tank destroyers like the Sprut-SD 2S25 (125mm sprut antitank gun on a BMP-3 chassis), so yes they are in use to day. It can be air-lifted to a combat zone and parachuted with the crew on board the vehicle. This is of course not something a militia or insurgent would (easly) get their hands on, just proving a point.

I fully support the idea of a truck/pickup based recoilless gun for militia and insurgents(and a ZPU-2 type gun, also on a truck/pickup for the milita, but thats another discussion :D )
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If anyone recalls one of the final scene of blackhawk down when that mohammad adid guy and his lads are assaulting the american casualty collection point thingo, adid has a technical with an anti tank gun on the back in the place of a .50 cal. they shell the americans with it for a minute or two before eric banna comes and f's them up.
it looks pretty sweet and I reckon its certainly an option for the insurgetns/militia.

just my two cents
G.Drew
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People need to look at previous posts more often.

Im in favour of the SPG9 w/ technical.
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People, this is not about the SPG 9, this is about an armored Tank Destroyer such as the ones I've posted. And yes, I am fully aware of the typo that identifies one as Swiss when it is in fact Swedish.

Example of what I am talking about:


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The SU-100 is again a good idea, can be obtained, but the question is: Do we really need it when all it requires is a AT missle on the back of a vehicle that is already modeled to fufil the same task?
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G.Drew wrote:The SU-100 is again a good idea, can be obtained, but the question is: Do we really need it when all it requires is a AT missle on the back of a vehicle that is already modeled to fufil the same task?
The logic behind the Tank Destroyer, as I've said a few times, is that it's armored enough to take LAT and APC fire while at the same time has a weapon capable of endangering tanks. It's not a tank, but it can take out tanks in the right situations. It's more advanced and armored than anything the Insurgents have and scales nicely with the technology level indicated by the current militia faction, and it works into militia faction tactics, ambush when you can and have enough firepower and armor to get away if things go a tad wrong. The SU-100 is highly available and easily maintained, it is the perfect vehicle for the Militia and adds to the flavor of the faction as no other force fields one.
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Im not convinced man, tanks fit just as well, we could use a T34 or a JS2 for the same role. Hell give them the T55 if we need to. I just dont think the tank destroyer would be a better choice over that. I can do the same ambush tactics and absorb the same amount of damage in the T62 they have now, so why not give them 2 of the tanks and have them ambush a pair of APCs.

It just hit me, no matter what is done, the current militia maps have no Challengers on them, so its a moot point to be giving a tank destroyer to the militia if tehre is none to destroy. I think before we get another vehicle for them we need to see what happens when a challenger is added to the militia's enemies.
Tirak
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The Tank Destroyer is meant to add to the militia arsenal, not remove anything from it, and who says a TD can't be used to take out APCs, that's like saying HAT kits should be removed on maps without tanks (Yes, that was intentional).
Pariel
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Post by Pariel »

I would agree that the recoilless rifle idea is far more realistic than adding in a tank destroyer.

The SU-100 does seem acceptable though.

Although I don't really think there's a currently a problem in terms of balance, I'll go play some militia maps and get back to you.
DeltaFart
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Tirak wrote:The Tank Destroyer is meant to add to the militia arsenal, not remove anything from it, and who says a TD can't be used to take out APCs, that's like saying HAT kits should be removed on maps without tanks (Yes, that was intentional).
IM not saying remove stuff, but we don't know how a game with Militia would play if a tank is added to the opposing forces. So far it's only the CFV and the IFV, and other than using AP rounds theres nothing really threatening to the T62 atm
Darkpowder
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Re: Tank Destroyers

Post by Darkpowder »

Tirak, All i see is world war 2 tank destroyer pictures, there is very very little info i have seen of any WW2 being in active operational use. I don't see how a tank destroyer has any relevance to Proj Reality. Even the SUDAN are trying to import T-72's.

Modern Tank destroyers are not relevant at all. Find us some accounts of their use in action in the last 5 years and i will be amazed.

If you like tank destroyers, campaign for better fixed arty on militia maps.
Tirak
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Re: Tank Destroyers

Post by Tirak »

Darkpowder wrote:Tirak, All i see is world war 2 tank destroyer pictures, there is very very little info i have seen of any WW2 being in active operational use. I don't see how a tank destroyer has any relevance to Proj Reality. Even the SUDAN are trying to import T-72's.

Modern Tank destroyers are not relevant at all. Find us some accounts of their use in action in the last 5 years and i will be amazed.

If you like tank destroyers, campaign for better fixed arty on militia maps.
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