[Model] Type 89

[Tannhauser]

But if you are talking about the AT & AA soldiers, well, have you already wear an heavy AT missile weapon, its ammunitions, the automatic rifle and its ammunition! It's not impossible but really hazardous!!! So, because it's PR, I gave them short and light miniType89, same caliber, but less powerful. Indeed, they are kind of SMG, but not.

Well could you say that for the M16-ACOG+AT4 LAT kit? If it's so hazardous why would marines carry their big heavy M16 and a LAT? Same goes for MEC and PLA... I think JGSDF soldiers have enough training to be able to carry both an assault rifle and heavier equipment like any conventional forces train their men to do.
IMO, sounds gamey to give the rocket-dude a light gun but that's just my opinion

[Tannhauser]

Oh yeah alright, don't worry about the LMAT I know that's heavy enough to make you carry a lighter weapon obviously. However it was only about the LAT/AA that I felt that way, as MEC has a G3scope+RPG and China has its LAT+QBZscope, so ommiting USMC/USA, I thought if China and some Arabian coalition can do it, why wouldn't Japan do it?

But you're right the Type 89 is rather heavy. Maybe if it was in bullpup it'd be more portable, but it doesn't matter really. Anyway, JSDF is gonna fight in rather tight environments against PLAN, so I imagine they'd be glad of having a shorter, lighter gun.

[Rambo Hunter]

Shouldn't the folding Type 89 only be given to the SOF/"Mountaineer", as it's only used by the 1st Airborne.
The regular army uses either the 5.56 Type 89 w/o folding stock or the 7.62 Type 64 as a battle rifle.

What's the 9mm Type 89? I've never heard of a variant like that...

We should stick to the conventional PR loadouts with a single MBR and only slight variants unless there's conclusive proof that these other weapons are used by the job types in PR IMO.

[Tannhauser]

AT and AA with the Minebea M-9? Ôô

Here's the l33t p0wnz0rz version of the M-9 (a Minebea version of the Uzi)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minebea_PM-9

It was adopted in 1990 for non-frontline forces such as vehicle drivers, artillery personnel, some of its special forces units(1st Airborne Brigade)[6] and some commissioned officers that were seen to be prioritized in having them equipped with the said submachine gun in order to protect themselves better[8][9].

Though it had been used for more than a decade as the official submachine gun, JSDF officials are looking at a possible replacement for the weapon as they are now being planned to be phased out in the near future, one of them being the Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine gun[6]. JSDF troops assigned to do guard duty on garrison bases of both the JMSDF and JASDF had their PM-9s replaced with other high-performing submachine guns[10] with the JGSDF following suit in having the PM-9 to be eventually replaced[11].

Leave it to the Crewman, but I'd be surprised seeing regular infantry weilding any M-9 other than 1st Airborne SF.

[Tannhauser]

Yeah, I know, but AT & AA need SMG or small&light automatic rifles... Because i don't find more proof and pictures of the miniType 89, I don't know what to give them!
But after seeing the new crazy minebea stock, I guess this miniType 89 really exists. Should we equipe them with it?


This one is crazy indeed LOL

In my opinion, you should really, just give em a regular Type89 Ironsight/aimpoit to start with. If we ever get info/ref pic of the Smaller Type89 later, then we'd make it np. It's not really like it matters so much as there's no difference in term of gameplay or realism (nothing to proove they use/field the smaller variant). It'd be very unrealistic to give them a Minebea M-9, as they said they're phasing out the Minebea and only artillery/armor crews use them afaik.

Sérieusement, je crois vraiment que tu devrais laisser le Minebea M-9 aux opérateurs de blindés, c'est un petit SMG d'accord, mais beaucoup trop petit pour être éfficace dans un combat à moyenne portée. C'est plus un PDW (arme de défense personnelle) qu'une arme d'assault et quiconque est sensé n'équiperait pas une aussi petite arme pour un combat de moyenne/longue portée. C'est sûr, c'est carrément un Uzi, c'est fait pour être un PDW, pas pour servir l'infanterie régulière.
Mais c'est ton choix, c'est toi qui lead (apparement), donc je me fie à ton bon sens pour voir quelle option est la plus réaliste. Moi perso, un soldat qui se pointe à l'armurerie pour prendre son Panzerfaust, je le voix pas laisser son Type89 pour un tire pois comme le M-9. Je préfère galèrer avec du poids que pas être capable de faire touche à longue portée

[sekiryu]

The "mini" Type 89 posted in the AT kit doesn't exist in real life.

Officer: Type 89 with dot sight (Aimpoint)

Rifleman: Type 89 with iron sights

Rifleman optics: Type 89 with magnification scope (ACOG)

Medic: Type 89 with reflex sight (EoTech)

Mountaineer: Type 89F with vertical foregrip, iron sights

Combat Engineer: Type 64 with iron sights

Grenadier: Type 89 with M203 and dot sight (Aimpoint)

Rifleman AT: Type 89 with iron sights

AA/AT: Type 89 with iron sights

Marksman: Type 64 with magnification scope (Type 64 uses a side-mount, as the bolt is SKS style)

That would be a more realistic setup.

[sekiryu]

I have a magazine about the JGSDF, and it shows a lot of Type 89 rifles with vertical grips, but only in use by the Western Army Infantry Regiment (WAiR). The medical units are equipped with Type 64s. Engineers would probably use the Type 64 as well since they aren't really front-line troops.

Rifleman AT should have the standard Type 89 with irons as in this picture:

[Panzerfire]

Guys guys... pic just one optics system for the Type 89 with optics.
As I see it the main weapons should be Type-89 iron sights, Type 89 with optics and Type 89 with an optic and M230. Those are all the Type 89 variants I believe this faction needs.

I support also the inclusion of Minebea M9 and the Type 64.

[sekiryu]

The Minebea M9 I have not seen documented use of. I've seen pictures of them at military showcases/festivals, but never in action.

Don't we need a 4x optics to balance the other factions?

[sekiryu]

We give it only to the crew members, which I believe use it!

My magazine said that the M9 is used only by 空挺部隊指揮官, which is "airborne commanders".

[sekiryu]

Type 64 for Medic, Engineer, and Marksman. Type 89 variants for everyone else.

[Rambo Hunter]

Type 64 for Medic, Engineer, and Marksman. Type 89 variants for everyone else.

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