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Sgt.Smeg wrote: < My face after first flight in the Lynx.

And dont forget about the passengers!

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'[R-DEV wrote:Rhino;909284']ehhh no, I was with the Chinook idea if I wasn't it would have not been made

The CH-46 Sea Knight is a entirely different story how ever that I've explained many times before thou I'll give it a go again.

As many of you are probably aware, the CH-46 Sea Knight is in the processes of being Phased out of the USMC / US Navy and being replaced by the new V-22, ie, it dose not have much life left in it in the real world. PR is always wanting to crate the most upto date hardware with focusing PR a few years ahead of the real time and there is no point making something that is no longer in service. One example of this many of you may remember the British Saxon that was in v0.4 and a bit in v0.5, ie this thing for thous of you who dont: Project Reality Mod for Battlefield 2 AT105 Saxon - Render image - Mod DB

Soon after finishing it we found our from one of our MAs that the British Army no longer used this and it was being phased out, only place is it still currently used in the British Armed forces today is in the TA, hence why you do not see it ingame as its unrealistic. That and its not upto par with the rest of our models.

Now the next main issue is this, even if we made a CH-46, we have no real maps to use it on. Really you need a 4km map to even think about using a chopper like this on, anything under is really too small with possibly a few minor acceptions to the rule, but all the current USMC maps that are fit for any kind of chopper, Muttrah, Jabal, op barra and qwai river all would not fit one on it. And yes I did not mention Op Archer as that is going to become a Canadian Forces map in the future like it was planned from the start but even that wouldn't fit one on well. There is also no future maps that are currently in development by the team that could use it. Where as the CH-47 Chinook on the other hand has 3 maps, 2 current and one upcoming that could use it (Sangin being the main one, but also Qinling and Kashan could easily use it in there infantry only layers).

So to go though why each map wouldn't work with them:
Muttrah: not enough LZs for a large chopper, map dose fine with the current choppers and transport choppers become less useful the deeper the team get into the city and too small.
Jabal: too small.
Op Barra: not enough LZs for such a chopper and too small.
Qwia River: to small view distance for a black hawk let alone a Sea Knight.

Now onto my final point, I mentioned before the Ch-46 Sea Knight was being replaced by the V-22 in the future. Well as it happens PR has a V-22 model from the RC mod that gave it to us when they shut down. I can not say it is the best model etc ever but its ingame and it works. All it would need for it to be used in PR is really a bunch of coding tweaks etc, so your probably asking now, why do PR not use this? Well the answer to that is simple as its the last one, no maps for it, and where size is a issue for the CH-46 size is a even bigger issue for the V-22 because it has a much higher top speed and it is much bigger meaning LZs are much harder to come by. I mean, its a struggle to land it on the roof of one of thous huge T apartment buildings.



now that shot is from a REALLY big WIP of muttrah where I was looking at the possibility, that was in the 17th of September 2007 according to the dates on the image.

So to recap on it I will list the points as to why we will never make a CH-46 Sea Knight.

• Being retired so would not be a realistic asset ingame see as PR is for the most part set a few years in the future
• No current or upcoming maps would even fit it
• If we did have maps for it, we have a V-22 already made for the job

Hope that explains that...

Hopefully it will serve well. So far all it did was kill Americans. Seriously more people died getting this thing in the air than Americans on the moon, but cudos to them for not asking zhe Germans to fix it halfway through .
I wonder what everybody things of the offsprey, its gonna be "in game" irl, but dont you think it looks to spacey to fit in the army or Marines ?

Ahh chinook, whats the point?

To be 1337

hiberNative wrote:i would have enjoyed seeing the chinook in the sky more than the lynx, but the lynx will probably be more effective ;P

Wait till you fly it. OMG says it all

Plus a big part of Rhino's post that he made very clear was that there simply were more maps at the present time where the Lynx could be used than there are for the chinook.

Chinook can wait until maps like Feyzebad and Sangin are complete

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;909284'] Now the next main issue is this, even if we made a CH-46, we have no real maps to use it on[/quote]
Thats all I wanted to know


[quote="Cassius""] I wonder what everybody things of the offsprey, its gonna be "in game" irl, but dont you think it looks to spacey to fit in the army or Marines ?[/quote]

And its Osprey not Offsprey, and it is quite roomy I have seen one up and close and it can fit quite a large load in the back. If im not mistaken it can carry around 20 - 25 men in the back or a load of 1000lbs.

PFunk wrote:Didn't Canada sell those to you guys in the 90s?

Yes we bought some refurbished Chinooks from Canada that we have upgraded since then and some new ones from Boeing.

[R-DEV]Rhino wrote:We will surely use it on more than one map, even when its released for example I can see the Chinook fitting pretty well on Qinling Infantry layer where transport choppers are a key role on it, As well as it fitting on Kashan and future US Army and other faction maps. We also have EoD2 and many other BSS Mods exspressing there intreast in the Chinook, which we plan to allow them to use it after all the help they have given us, with exporting the Lynx and will be exporting the Chinook etc.

Again, think of the Chinook as a flying truck, where its biggest role is logistics as well as transport. that has the proportional of setting up a firebase on a LZ that will spawn off many more players than just 8.

Will it be possible to make reskins of the Chinook for those community factions that will need it if they ever make a map that can handle one?

Chinooks do paradrops and fast roping...Will paradrops be added in PR?...Chinooks are very well known and suitable for paradrops...

Paratroopers !

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the brits only send 6 or 7 Chinooks in total to Afghanistan? They should cost more tickets or take a really long time to respawn.

Tannhauser wrote:Will it be possible to make reskins of the Chinook for those community factions that will need it if they ever make a map that can handle one?

hopefully they will do a re-skin for the US army

charliegrs wrote:hopefully they will do a re-skin for the US army

Makes sense, seeing as the US owns the most Chinooks in the world.

And for when the Canadian Forces get theirs airborne.

Edit. Actually.


http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/english/6_1_1.asp?id=3331

And then it just needs a few alterations and bam, it turns into a CH-46 Sea Knight for the Marines.

qaiex wrote:And then it just needs a few alterations and bam, it turns into a CH-46 Sea Knight for the Marines.

i dont know how many people have said this exact same thing, but its totally wrong.

the sea knight is not just a mini chinook. theres quite a few differences.

charliegrs wrote:the sea knight is not just a mini chinook. theres quite a few differences.

let me correct that a sec, there's quite a few MAJOR differences...

besides a Sea Knight will NEVER be made for PR as its being phased out of service and replaced by the v22 which we already have in PR courtesy of the old RC mod but we just dont have any map for it....

I dunno how many times I have to say this...

EDIT: oh dear god I in fact said it a few pages back in this topic....

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]Rhino;909284']ehhh no, I was with the Chinook idea if I wasn't it would have not been made

The CH-46 Sea Knight is a entirely different story how ever that I've explained many times before thou I'll give it a go again.

As many of you are probably aware, the CH-46 Sea Knight is in the processes of being Phased out of the USMC / US Navy and being replaced by the new V-22, ie, it dose not have much life left in it in the real world. PR is always wanting to crate the most upto date hardware with focusing PR a few years ahead of the real time and there is no point making something that is no longer in service. One example of this many of you may remember the British Saxon that was in v0.4 and a bit in v0.5, ie this thing for thous of you who dont: Project Reality Mod for Battlefield 2 AT105 Saxon - Render image - Mod DB

Soon after finishing it we found our from one of our MAs that the British Army no longer used this and it was being phased out, only place is it still currently used in the British Armed forces today is in the TA, hence why you do not see it ingame as its unrealistic. That and its not upto par with the rest of our models.

Now the next main issue is this, even if we made a CH-46, we have no real maps to use it on. Really you need a 4km map to even think about using a chopper like this on, anything under is really too small with possibly a few minor acceptions to the rule, but all the current USMC maps that are fit for any kind of chopper, Muttrah, Jabal, op barra and qwai river all would not fit one on it. And yes I did not mention Op Archer as that is going to become a Canadian Forces map in the future like it was planned from the start but even that wouldn't fit one on well. There is also no future maps that are currently in development by the team that could use it. Where as the CH-47 Chinook on the other hand has 3 maps, 2 current and one upcoming that could use it (Sangin being the main one, but also Qinling and Kashan could easily use it in there infantry only layers).

So to go though why each map wouldn't work with them:
Muttrah: not enough LZs for a large chopper, map dose fine with the current choppers and transport choppers become less useful the deeper the team get into the city and too small.
Jabal: too small.
Op Barra: not enough LZs for such a chopper and too small.
Qwia River: to small view distance for a black hawk let alone a Sea Knight.

Now onto my final point, I mentioned before the Ch-46 Sea Knight was being replaced by the V-22 in the future. Well as it happens PR has a V-22 model from the RC mod that gave it to us when they shut down. I can not say it is the best model etc ever but its ingame and it works. All it would need for it to be used in PR is really a bunch of coding tweaks etc, so your probably asking now, why do PR not use this? Well the answer to that is simple as its the last one, no maps for it, and where size is a issue for the CH-46 size is a even bigger issue for the V-22 because it has a much higher top speed and it is much bigger meaning LZs are much harder to come by. I mean, its a struggle to land it on the roof of one of thous huge T apartment buildings.



now that shot is from a REALLY big WIP of muttrah where I was looking at the possibility, that was in the 17th of September 2007 according to the dates on the image.

So to recap on it I will list the points as to why we will never make a CH-46 Sea Knight.

• Being retired so would not be a realistic asset ingame see as PR is for the most part set a few years in the future
• No current or upcoming maps would even fit it
• If we did have maps for it, we have a V-22 already made for the job

Hope that explains that...[/quote]



[quote="Mitsotribal""]Chinooks do paradrops and fast roping...Will paradrops be added in PR?...Chinooks are very well known and suitable for paradrops...

Paratroopers ![/quote]

some one please kill me! I can't take much more of this

nick20404 wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the brits only send 6 or 7 Chinooks in total to Afghanistan? They should cost more tickets or take a really long time to respawn.

I'm pretty sure that there is more than 6 or 7 in Afghanistan right now, not sure on how many.

Tannhauser wrote:Will it be possible to make reskins of the Chinook for those community factions that will need it if they ever make a map that can handle one?

yes, just like the Apache...

if you're not careful rhino will have a heart attack and then you won't get shit

If he gets a hart attack and the chinook fails we all have a hart attack so leave the man alone wil ya!

im looking forward for this, im being very patient lol
it will be good to fly or be transported in, especialy when its flew over my head alot and been inside and on it