[Faction Proposal] Islamic Republic of Iran Army

[sheggalism]

AFAIK, the Army is not Iran's only major force. "Pasdaran", or "Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution" seems to be a very active branch of the military, although it looks like some kind of evolved militia, with its own land/air/naval forces, with assymetric warfare policies (IED, etc...). I've seen photos of Pasdaran units, and they use mainly russian firearms, and they are responsible for strategic missiles.

So, could it be interesting to see a map mixing both kind of Iranian forces ? (basic military defence + inusurgency-like tactics)

[aperson444]

So, could it be interesting to see a map mixing both kind of Iranian forces ? (basic military defence + inusurgency-like tactics)

That would be interesting, but I doubt the Islamic Guard does those offensive operations.


It would be good for defensive however.

I think we should keep MEC, and create Iran separate. rename MEC to Islamic League or something.

We need someone to make a Zulfiqar tank model. It is based off of many MBTs.

For the HAT kit, the RPG-29 should be used. Lend the RPG-7 to the Islamic Guard or something.

[Psyko]

Anyone willing to contribute to an Iranian faction?

[McBumLuv]

I would, but I pretty much can't model anything, nor have I ever churned out a playable bf 2 map yet, soooo, we'll see. Maybe I'll take the time to finally look over the many tuts on the web.

[Scot]

I would, but I pretty much can't model anything, nor have I ever churned out a playable bf 2 map yet, soooo, we'll see. Maybe I'll take the time to finally look over the many tuts on the web.

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This would truly be awesome to get in game

[McBumLuv]

Where's the report button, I'm experiencing lolcat abuse.

But I'd love to see Iran's army in game, I'd be able to roll into the US base with the hummer look-alike undetected, and they'd be all like "WTH?" when they get killed, but don't see any tk messages

[STORM-Mama]

I know that the regular Army is not the only capable fighting force in Iran. But it's still the regular army that would be fighting the conventional battles in case of war. The IRGC is trained for assymetrical guerilla war and the Basij can be called a large militia consisting mostly of civilians.

The regular army would be most interesting to model because what PR lacks in conventional non-NATO or "OpFor" armies, not unconventional militias.


I've created a new design plan.
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Basically just replaced the G3s with KH2002s and the F-4 with the locally produced the Saeqeh (although a model of that is not high priority - the MiG-29 can still be used). Also decided to go for the PKM for the automatic riflemen. MG3 can be used as their deployable machine gun maybe?
Still havn't found any info on what weapon and UGL their grenadiers use. Seems like the Khaybar rifle cant be fitted with any type of UGL, since no sites ention anything like that. Same goes for the hand grenade, but I guess we can use the F1 as placeholder.
The only sniper rifle in the Iranian inventory comparable to rifles like the M40 and M24 (bolt-action, long-range rifles) is a .50 caliber sniper rifle called Steyr HS. Do you think that would fit for the sniper kit?

Btw, there are some reskin-jobs required. This is how the Iranian paint-job looks like for some of the vehicles.

BTR-60:


MiG-29:



Su-25:

[Psyko]

if this were given some attention from past contributors and current developers with experiance in reskinning, it would go very quickly, and from the looks of it, it would be available for consideration for the next release of PR...but dont quote me on that.

[Rudd]

http://img88.echo.cx/img88/1465/4527450yk.jpg

well thats just been made hasn't it with a very similar texture.

Good luck with the faction

[Psyko]

like storm-mama said, the faction doesnt require much work. most of the usable vehicles are allready in PR.

anyone got a Zulfiqar-3?

[STORM-Mama]

I just realized that if the Iranian soldiers would just be MEC soldiers with the Desert Battle Dress Uniform they would be very similar. Isn't that the camouflage used by MEC ingame, lol? Would cause some problems if someone want to create a Iran vs. MEC map... US woodland is apparently the standard camo of the Iranian Army, but wouldn't woodland camo give them a huge dissadvantage on desert maps? Or would it really matter that much?

I just realized that we could probably get away with reskinning the Huey and using that as a transport heli alongside a reskinned Chinook. Their Panha Shabaviz 2-75 transport helicopter is very similar to the Huey in appearence:




Not sure if we could get away with reskinning the USMC 'Super Cobra' and use that as the Panha 2091. It's easy to distinct the two... A new model would be preferable.

Panha 2091:


Super Cobra:



Two new models that will have to be made is, of course, the KH2002. IIRC we already have Nighthawk on the job. How's progress, mate?
Then there is the Zulfiqar-3... The MBT of an army is, in my opinion, a big part of its image so the Iranians definately deserve to get their own locally produced tank rather than the T-72.

Here are soem pictures of the Zulfiqar:

[J.F.Leusch69]

ask USI for the cobra?!

[Terror_Terror_Terror]

According to the fountain of all knowledge (wikipedia) Iran has Super Cobras. Also it says they have Huey's too and Mi-8's which are the same as Mi-17 which are already in game with MEC.

You don't really need any new models just re-skins I reckon. You might need to make a new pistol and a couple of other little bits.

T-72 (you might as well use it even if your gonna add the Zulfiqar-3)
BTR-60 (BTR-80 is coming also at some point)

Mi-8(17)
Huey
Super Cobra

MiG-29

[STORM-Mama]

Chinook is far more widely used than the Mi-8. Most of the pictures from war games and exercises shows lots of Chinooks. Also, wiki states they have around 300 Chinooks, making it the most common transport helicopter in their army.
So a reskin of the upcoming Chinook would be a better choice than the Mi-8.

Now, as I've already stated I think noone have any interest in rushing this and ending up with nothing but a reskinned MEC. To give the Iranian Army a distinct and unique feel some new models are needed, imo. The Zulfiqar and Kh2002 are top priority, or what do you say?

Odd that wiki states the version they have is based on the Super Cobra. Looks much more like the original AH-1 if you ask me. A reskin of the USI Cobra would be better than using the vBF2 SuperCobra.

And not sure if I would call the Farsi voice recording "little bits".

[Terror_Terror_Terror]

Chinook is far more widely used than the Mi-8. Most of the pictures from war games and exercises shows lots of Chinooks. Also, wiki states they have around 300 Chinooks, making it the most common transport helicopter in their army.
So a reskin of the upcoming Chinook would be a better choice than the Mi-8.

Now, as I've already stated I think noone have any interest in rushing this and ending up with nothing but a reskinned MEC. To give the Iranian Army a distinct and unique feel some new models are needed, imo. The Zulfiqar and Kh2002 are top priority, or what do you say?

Odd that wiki states the version they have is based on the Super Cobra. Looks much more like the original AH-1 if you ask me. A reskin of the USI Cobra would be better than using the vBF2 SuperCobra.

And not sure if I would call the Farsi voice recording "little bits".

Well you know what I think about MEC so yeah reskin to begin with (then get rid of MEC ) and then develop, that's what I'd suggest. You might as well not ignore things if they only need a reskin that way when you add new models you'll have a lot more choice which will surely be better than having little or no choice.

Why Kh2002, isn't the G3 the main riffle?

USI Cobra? They have a few versions including the Panha 2091. Well here's a couple of pics of Iranian Cobras I found:

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/picture_02-05.jpg

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Yeah your right about the voices but I was only talking about arms init

[Psyko]

Well you know what I think about MEC so yeah reskin to begin with (then get rid of MEC ) and then develop, that's what I'd suggest. You might as well not ignore things if they only need a reskin that way when you add new models you'll have a lot more choice which will surely be better than having little or no choice.

Why Kh2002, isn't the G3 the main riffle?

USI Cobra? They have a few versions including the Panha 2091. Well here's a couple of pics of Iranian Cobras I found:

http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/picture_02-05.jpg

6ff8108.jpg (image)

Yeah your right about the voices but I was only talking about arms init

Lets not get ahead of ourselfs lol...
The MEC faction is a pretty good long range infantry force in PR. theres nothing wrong with it. but the iranian's weapons i think would be more similar to the L86A1 or the chinese QBZ rifle. they are light weight afaik.
they are modern bullpup rifles designed for efficiency. so the iranian army would be in a very large sence a proper fully fledged modern faction for PR. a match with them versus brits or chinese would play a lot like Qinling or Quai river.
Khaybar KH2002 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also this is kinda like a planning fase. this faction needs attention from a lot of people including the DEVs and they just got done with a big patch.

[STORM-Mama]

I think that the KH2002 would be much more interesting and give the faction a unique feel. Also, the Iranians themselves have stated that the Khaybar will replace the G3s they have in the near future. Of course it havn't been deployed in large numbers yet, but the same can be said about the QBZ-95 in the PLA. If Iran ever gets into PR I would prefer seeing a "near future"-version of their army with their own modern equipment. It will take more time than reskinning and using models we already have in game, but the end result will be so much nicer.

As Psyko said we are still on a planning phase and need to get some more support from modellers and others who are willing to contribute. I'm at the moment playing around with GMax, searching for decent voice-actors and info on the equipment they use, but some more help to get this project on its feet would be appreciated.

[tmnoobage]

The MBT of an army is, in my opinion, a big part of its image so the Iranians definately deserve to get their own locally produced tank rather than the T-72.

The Iranians would be pretty cool to have in game, but sadly it's veryunlikely anyone will model the Zulfigar III, as there's no blueprints, and little reference material. As far as I know Iran uses an upgraded Chieftain (I researched this a while back as I wanted to model the Zulfiqar myself ), so that the better choice to model

[MonkeySoldier]

I thought Wiki isn't supposed to be used for this kind of research, according to the Dev's?

[tmnoobage]

I didn't use wiki, I used globalsecurity.org. Here are the exact figures, if you insist

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SYSTEMS	Inventory
[color=DarkRed]1990	1995	2000	2002	2005	2008	2010	2015[/color]
MBT	500	1,440	1,135	1,565	1,613	1,613	~1,800	~2,000
T-72S	+	200	120	480	480	480	480	480
T-62	100	150	75	75	75	75	75	75
T-54/-55	100	110	500	250?	540	540	540	540
Type-59	-	+	220
T-72Z	-	-	-	-	-
Chieftain Mk3/5	100	250	140	200	100	100	100?	100?
M60A1	100	160	150	150	150	150	150	150
M47/M47M	100	150	150	150	168	168	168	168
Zulfiqar	-	-	+	10	~100	~100	~100	~1

As you can see the Zulfiqar isn't really deployed in huge numbers, but the T-54/55 is, so that could be used, or the modified Chieftain (below) or the M47.