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Nagard wrote:I'm not sure, so correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the DEVs brought up a projectile for the Lasermarker? The "Signature" of that Laserprojectile wasn't in vBF2 when I remember correctly and so isn't it possible to change that "signature" to bring up something like 2 different lasers (One for Surface-Surface-Combat and one for the Close-Air-Support)?

gclark03 wrote:We're not suggesting mobile artillery. The point of this suggestion is creating a mechanism where it does take a little skill to hit targets on the move, but not so much that it's as impossible as it has always been.

'[R-DEV wrote:Undies;882363']IRL the turret 'talks' to the hull and vice-versa via one or more gyroscopic gimbles (on CR2 there are three) several thousand times per second.

The turret does not lock on to anything at any most of the firing sequence is still done manually, contrary to popular opinion. The bulk of what the computer tied to the turret/weapon system do is stabilising the gun (to a certain degree) and carrying out ballistic calculation to account for things such as wind, temperature, air pressure and barrel droop among other things.

The crux of the whole thing is that the gunner must still control the 'lay' of the turret using his controls, and he has some very similar problems to those faced in PR. The turret does go up and down and side to side as the driver negotiates different terrain, meaning he has to try and maintain that 'lay'.

The comments people make about 'bullet drop' do not really hold much water with a modern tank TBH. As i mentioned earlier, the computer makes allowences and adjusts the ballistic calculation to help achieve a first round hit. This includes bringing the weapon systems to the correct angle of elevation before it is fired, thus virtually eliminating 'bullet drop' and tanks firing. Of course it still happens but the gun is raised by the computer before firing to account for this.

The dispersion of the rounds at 2km is pretty tight.



I have crewed CR1 and CR2 for 10 years now and trust me, the PR tanks arent far off. (Within the limits of a game)

[R-DEV]Undies wrote:You are absolutely correct when you say tanks can effectively engage targets on the move, sorry if i mislead in any way.

Modern tanks can very effectively engage targets on the move, the point i am trying to make is that the gunner must still carry out manual lay of the sighting system and weapon system onto the target.

Someone kind of hit the nail on the head earlier on when they said the BF2 engine lets you though it is flawed in that it isnt vastly accurate. I think this is the problem, a limitation of the game engine and nothing else.

@Fubar++ They are slightly misleading articles or poorly worded, tanks are fitted these days with assisted lay or aided lay which is only automatic in that once the gunner has selected his target and laid the sighting systems onto it. If he (his tank) is moving, or the target is moving, or both are moving, then he will initially begin to manually track the target. Once the Fire Control System has calculated what it thinks is the best or most accurate tracking speed in whatever direction it is required, will conitnue to track along that line/direction. With the intention being that the gunner should only need to 'fine tune' his lay before firing.

If the target makes a sudden change of direction the gun will still 'track' along the direction it previously followed. This means the gunner needs to manually lay onto the target once more, and the process starts again. These systems aid the gunner massively in controlling a fast moving turret looking at small targets which could be some way off but unfortunately they are not automatic target trackers per'say.

Hope i didnt confuse anyone.

Cptkanito wrote:But implementing guidance systems in tanks just ruins tank combat in my opinion, cause basically all u have to do is fire and forget once its locked on...

fubar++ wrote:I'm sensing one problem here. If you can "laze" only heat source targets (?) the system would be missing all other targets which don't have heat source, is that correct?