what happened to mumble?

[Tartantyco]

1)+2)IF you bother to joina teamspeak server for the game server often youll find (iun [T&T] case anyway... squadleaders talking to each other and telling pilots where to go etc).. so yes teamspeak can offer this.

-But you can't directly tell the pilot of the chopper you're in where you want him to go, you have to relay the information. Which is the point.

3) You shouldnt be lonewolfing with some random blue smurf..... you should be with your squad, so your point is futile.

-No, if I tell two of my SMs to go on a flanking mission then they're not lonewolfing, and if they have some way of communicating directly without delays and without having to transmit that to players to which the information is irrelevant then they will be more able to perform their task.

4) maybe not but its increased the amount of cheating....

-Again, something I have not witnessed.



-People who oppose mumble are people who are being willfully dense, or people who just don't get it. It's so damn obvious what the software can do for the game, both in organized play and public play, that I find it extremely annoying to even debate this subject. If you don't see what a massive advantage it is to be able to communicate with anyone directly in the game then you should sit down and think about it for a while. You can warn anyone in your proximity about incoming grenades, point out hostiles, be able to split up your squad without having to deal with the issue of overlapping conversations, tell your pilot where to go, warn him about things you see, etc, etc, into oblivion.

-With positional audio you also get the ability to prioritize information according to relevance. For instance, your squad is engaged in a firefight and spread out over 30m and one of them yells "grenade". With in-game VOIP or TS there is no way to identify this person's position in relation to you and whether or not you're anywhere near the grenade is impossible to figure out. With Mumble you will hear what direction and how far away the person who just yelled "grenade" is, and based on that information you can act according to the actual situation.

-Saying something as simple as "follow me" could prove difficult at times with VOIP or TS because the position of "me" is not something that is communicated to you. However, with Mumble you don't have this problem. I could go on and on about this but unless you "get it" you're just going to miss the obvious. The fundamental ability to communicate directly to anyone in the game, just like in real life, should be a pretty obvious advantage.

[AnimalMother.]

as i undestand the useage of mumble is not to replace the BF2 voip system but to be on the side, enhancing it

with both voip and mumble you have the following communication options availible to you should you need them:

1) BF2 in-squad voip, the equivilant to talking down your mic to your muckers for squad stuff
2) BF2 SL to CO chat, again talking down the mic as a SL talking to the commander
3) Mumble positional audio, equivilant to just shouting at people, everyone near you hears you
4) mumble force centre pretty much the SL channel, so they can talk down the mic to other SL

my 2p, and less then a week til i can get back on PR, whoop whoop

[google]

Also what everyone is forgetting is Mumble is a beta program effectively, there are constant updates to improve it. No such updates for TS....

TeamSpeak - TeamSpeak 3

[Tartantyco]

Yes it can.The SL recieves info and presses the talk button to tell other SLs.

-Can my SM speak directly to the SM of the other squad who's operating the .50 cal on TS? No. The seconds it takes to relay from SM to SL to SL to SM are the seconds between alive and dead.

TS+VOIP comm:

Squad 1 is engaged in a firefight, a lot of talking on VOIP
S1 SM spots AT
S1 SM informs S1 SL
S1 SL calls S2 SL
S2 SL tells S2 to clear comms
S1 SL informs S2 SL of AT
S2 SL informs S2 SMs in Humvee of the threat


Mumble+VOIP comm:
S1 SM spots AT
S1 SM informs S2 SMs in Humvee of the AT

[Tartantyco]

TeamSpeak - TeamSpeak 3

Introducing 3D Sound

TeamSpeak 3 now features fully integrated 3D Sound support which allows for spatial placement of sound effects and audio streams. This creates the illusion of a sound source being placed anywhere in three dimensional space, including behind, to the left of, to the right of, above, or below the listener. The possibilities and applications of 3D Sound are virtually endless with TeamSpeak 3.

lol

-So, Teamspeak 3 will basically be the same as Mumble, except it's not open source? So TS3 is just some useless ****, just like mumble? What's the point in getting TS3 if it's just going to add useless improvements such as 3D audio and increased audio quality, just like Mumble has right now? I may have found a stupid in your argument.

[HybridX]

-But you can't directly tell the pilot of the chopper you're in where you want him to go, you have to relay the information. Which is the point.



-No, if I tell two of my SMs to go on a flanking mission then they're not lonewolfing, and if they have some way of communicating directly without delays and without having to transmit that to players to which the information is irrelevant then they will be more able to perform their task.



-Again, something I have not witnessed.



-People who oppose mumble are people who are being willfully dense, or people who just don't get it. It's so damn obvious what the software can do for the game, both in organized play and public play, that I find it extremely annoying to even debate this subject. If you don't see what a massive advantage it is to be able to communicate with anyone directly in the game then you should sit down and think about it for a while. You can warn anyone in your proximity about incoming grenades, point out hostiles, be able to split up your squad without having to deal with the issue of overlapping conversations, tell your pilot where to go, warn him about things you see, etc, etc, into oblivion.

-With positional audio you also get the ability to prioritize information according to relevance. For instance, your squad is engaged in a firefight and spread out over 30m and one of them yells "grenade". With in-game VOIP or TS there is no way to identify this person's position in relation to you and whether or not you're anywhere near the grenade is impossible to figure out. With Mumble you will hear what direction and how far away the person who just yelled "grenade" is, and based on that information you can act according to the actual situation.

-Saying something as simple as "follow me" could prove difficult at times with VOIP or TS because the position of "me" is not something that is communicated to you. However, with Mumble you don't have this problem. I could go on and on about this but unless you "get it" you're just going to miss the obvious. The fundamental ability to communicate directly to anyone in the game, just like in real life, should be a pretty obvious advantage.

1) Again you didnt read my post... when i want to go somewhere ina chopper... i ask the pilot directly on teamspeak!

2) IF said squad members are flanking aorund... a) you wont hear them as they too far out.. or b) youll hear them but a faint whisper because they too far away and the gunfire masks their voip... so youll use teamspeak or ingame voip to get the message accross clearly.

Plus in your first example... you said with a blue smurf not with another squad member

3) I dislike the phrasing of your comment. Just because i dont agree with you doesnt make me dense! If anything it shows me to a more capable person since i can think outside the norm of all the PR sheep, who follow mumble because a few people think its awesome.


Mumble atm for some people is compensating for their **** spatial awareness... thats all.
Mumble patches the holes in **** squads.. if someone yells "grenade" You should be aware of whos around you and react accordingly.

Not.... *grenade hits noob in face* "dude theres a grenade by you" "oh noes run away!"


Sign of a narrow minded person..... unwilling to accept anyone else arguement.... and yes ive tried mumble for a few weeks and disliked it.

But as ive stated before i can see some advantages eg clearer audio/ no delay

[HybridX]

-Can my SM speak directly to the SM of the other squad who's operating the .50 cal on TS? No. The seconds it takes to relay from SM to SL to SL to SM are the seconds between alive and dead.

TS+VOIP comm:

Squad 1 is engaged in a firefight, a lot of talking on VOIP
S1 SM spots AT
S1 SM informs S1 SL
S1 SL calls S2 SL
S2 SL tells S2 to clear comms
S1 SL informs S2 SL of AT
S2 SL informs S2 SMs in Humvee of the threat


Mumble+VOIP comm:
S1 SM spots AT
S1 SM informs S2 SMs in Humvee of the AT

Talk about over complicating it.....

S1 SM... AT guy at 300 degrees
s1 SL tells s2 sl... AT our position 300 degrees
s2 tells his squad... AT key x keypad x OR NW of squad 1

Job done.. nothing hard to do

If we did it your overcomplicated way...


sl1 has a cup of tea
sm1 tells sl1 he thinks he has herpes
sl1 goes hmm interesting
sm1 oh lock a enemy chappy with a pointy thing
sl1 ah yes

sl1 tells sl2 Hey theres a point thinged chappy up ahead old boy

[HybridX]

lol

-So, Teamspeak 3 will basically be the same as Mumble, except it's not open source? So TS3 is just some useless ****, just like mumble? What's the point in getting TS3 if it's just going to add useless improvements such as 3D audio and increased audio quality, just like Mumble has right now? I may have found a stupid in your argument.

he was disproving your narrow view that theres no updates for TS... not what cpabailites ts3 has.

your enjoying insulting people today arent you

[cyberzomby]

Lets keep it in a friendly tone before we get a lock down from one of the real mods

not.... *grenade hits noob in face* "dude theres a grenade by you" "oh noes run away!"

laughed at this line, can picture it right now.

[gazzthompson]

as i undestand the useage of mumble is not to replace the BF2 voip system but to be on the side, enhancing it

with both voip and mumble you have the following communication options availible to you should you need them:

1) BF2 in-squad voip, the equivilant to talking down your mic to your muckers for squad stuff
2) BF2 SL to CO chat, again talking down the mic as a SL talking to the commander
3) Mumble positional audio, equivilant to just shouting at people, everyone near you hears you
4) mumble force centre pretty much the SL channel, so they can talk down the mic to other SL

my 2p, and less then a week til i can get back on PR, whoop whoop

this ^^^

The fundamental ability to communicate directly to anyone in the game, just like in real life, should be a pretty obvious advantage.

and this ^^

= thread over.

full and proper implementation of mumble (devs own client program with settings all done, all that jazz about join a server and it joins the servers mumble server/channel ect ect for you). will give you the ability to communicate to everyone in a realistic manner.

mumble is NOT a replacement for in game Voip , and currently (and in future) in game voip should be the main communication for people . mumble enhances the in game communication 10 fold increasing realism and ease of communication.


OP : a good night on igi server will see about 20-25 mumblers on..

[Zimmer]

In TS everyone in the channel can hear you speak its annoying. I played a game of muttrah as MEc for soem days ago with Mumble. We had to assault a house that didnt go well they had both us down. As we where assaulting a APC drove past us I though it was a long shot to ask on mumble, but he was and in matter of seconds the US squad holding the house was down after high caliber rounds smashed through everything in the house.

Well i could have done this on TS, but then everyone on my team had heard me with no relevance to them and maybe even destroy some messages over Voip as a squad with no relevance to me had a fierce firefight another place heard me asking an APC to engage the building we attacked could have ruined something for those if the SL didnt hear his own SM's because I had to widespread my order to an APC not in my squad.

And how long has TS3 been announced? Mumble is a better alternative by far. Our ARMA guys on .:iGi:. use it as its far better then TS in audio quality and 3D sound.

[=Romagnolo=]

My dream is to see a dev's post "we will implement mumble comunication system in PR"

[Threedroogs]

***The full on integration of Mumble into Project Reality is an ongoing process, this thread will be continuously updated with new information as we get it***

at the end of this post by jaymz: https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f10-pr ... de-pr.html

i guess i should go ahead and get my mumble set up. i have just been too lazy to do it. i have been hoping the devs would announce full integration into .9 so i can just wait for it.

[Scot]

TeamSpeak - TeamSpeak 3

Hehe, you know how long that has been there? Seriously, we get updates daily from Mumble, that has been there for at least a year.

[Tartantyco]

1) Again you didnt read my post... when i want to go somewhere ina chopper... i ask the pilot directly on teamspeak!

-Not without bothering a whole lot of other people at the same time or having to set up sub-channels or whatever you can't.

2) IF said squad members are flanking aorund... a) you wont hear them as they too far out.. or b) youll hear them but a faint whisper because they too far away and the gunfire masks their voip... so youll use teamspeak or ingame voip to get the message accross clearly.

-See, you're being willfully dumb here. What I said was: I send two people to flank around the enemy position. While they are flanking they can talk to each other, without having to use the all squad VOIP, while me and the rest of the squad can talk to each other without having to use the all squad VOIP as well. This way, two conversations can take place within the same squad without overlap.

Plus in your first example... you said with a blue smurf not with another squad member

-You misread.

3) I dislike the phrasing of your comment. Just because i dont agree with you doesnt make me dense! If anything it shows me to a more capable person since i can think outside the norm of all the PR sheep, who follow mumble because a few people think its awesome.

-No, it shows that you're an idiot.

Mumble atm for some people is compensating for their **** spatial awareness... thats all.
Mumble patches the holes in **** squads.. if someone yells "grenade" You should be aware of whos around you and react accordingly.

-If you're trying to say that you know the position of your entire squad at any point then you should think that through, because you know that's not true.

Sign of a narrow minded person..... unwilling to accept anyone else arguement.... and yes ive tried mumble for a few weeks and disliked it.

-The reason why I'm unwilling to accept your argument is not because of narrow-mindedness or stupidity, it's simply because I'm right and you're wrong.

[Tartantyco]

he was disproving your narrow view that theres no updates for TS... not what cpabailites ts3 has.

your enjoying insulting people today arent you

-Well, if it's basically the same as mumble then according to google it's not an update, it's just a piece of ****...

[Tannhauser]

it's simply because I'm right and you're wrong.

«NO YOUR WRONG!!! PEW PEW PEW»
- [R-DEV]CodeRedFox


Sorry...

[Tartantyco]

Talk about over complicating it.....

S1 SM... AT guy at 300 degrees
s1 SL tells s2 sl... AT our position 300 degrees
s2 tells his squad... AT key x keypad x OR NW of squad 1

-Yes, this is provided that S2 never ever use their VOIP and are just sitting around waiting for S1 to contact them about anything. If S1and S2 are using the in-game VOIP, and possibly TS, at the same time then it's a little hard to relay information like the above because then everybody would be talking at the same time and noone would hear anything. Which is why your example is simplistic and mine's realistic, and also why mumble kicks TS's ***. You could have six conversations going at once between two squads on mumble; trying to do that on TS would lead to an epic clusterfuck.

[Redamare]

MUMBLE = Better than all others Even God ... I use mumble every day its great

[google]

I'm right and you're wrong.

That's a really pathetic and poor statement.

Now, I can see how having direct comms with other blue guys might be worth it in rare cases. For example, the chopper pilot thing. And even these rare examples can be solved through the use of TeamSpeak or typing stuff out in chat (which has always worked for me when asking a lift from chopper pilots). The problem is that mumble can get too spammy waaay to easily when you have to listen to everyone's 1 to 1 conversations (whether they be game-related or not). This is inneficient and is why only SLs should really have direct Comms with eachother.

MUMBLE = Better than all others Even God ... I use mumble every day its great

I really also wish people would stop clogging these threads with such mindless comments.