Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 15:43
Shouldn´t you hear what you hear when looking down the sights in the cockpit?
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Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 15:50
yeah but with all the ambient cockpit noises, rotor blades, radio chatter, mechanics, whatever, i think the sounds should come from a gun cam
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 16:40
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 21:15
The audio quality has been horribly raped by the Apache, then horribly raped during the analog-digital transition, then horribly raped by Livelink compression, raped by the software that copied the video off of Livelink, and horribly raped again by Youtube. 5x rapes. That is the worst possible example you can use.mike653048 wrote: YouTube - AH-64 Apache Gun Cam Engagement Iraq
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 21:37
well then waldo do you suggest using the current .86 airsoft cannon or something a bit more realistic?
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 22:00
I trust that the Devs have changed the sound for a reason. the PR team includes military advisors, of whom I'm sure have heard a Cobra or Apache cannon fire. I'm sorry if I take their word over someone who gets their information from YouTube videos.
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 22:08
I would say it could be better (everything always can) but the current PR one is the best I have heard to date imo.
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 22:10
are you serious? wow
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 22:52
mike563048 have you heard an apache and/or cobra fire in real life or are you basing this all off youtube videos?
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-20 23:05
no have you?
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-21 00:00
That isn't his point. And you being childish does not help your side of your argument at all. If you say no, then scot is right, you are only basing this off youtube videos.mike653048 wrote:no have you?
Have you ever been to a civil war or any type of war reenactment? Ever watched a video of an reenactment? If you are there live, the battle sounds are insane! Full of highs and lows. On the other hand, if it was captured on camera, everything sound like firecrackers, even the big cannons.
Similarly, why don't you think Hollywood movies just record firearm sounds in gunfight scenes like they do dialogue and use them in the movie? Why do they go through the hassle of dubbing professionally recorded and mixed gun fire sounds instead? Here's the answer if you still haven't figured it out: "It sounds like shit!" Without the proper equipment, the best and most realistic sound cannot be captured. Even then, sound is extremely subjective. Yet it is very important in a game because it can add or break immersion. TBH, with the new Huey 3p hydra sounds, the game has been more realistic to me.
Don't tell DEVs to use youtube sounds because you think its the most realistic. As DEVs they have to cater to many people with different kinds of audio hardware. Some people use speakers, some use Headphones. Something that sound alright on speakers, DOES NOT mean that it will sound good on headphones. With good headphones, you can catch even the smallest imperfection in the sound, breaking the whole experience.
You can start a petition if you so strongly disagree, but scrutinizing such a small part of PR, or anything, is not healthy. Devs got bigger fish to fry. AKA FAZTROPEZZZ!!! for 0.9 plox?
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-21 00:17
how was i being childish?
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-21 00:31
Never rely on youtube sounds as a reference, half of the audio used in it is nothing like the real sounds. The Apache cannon sounds are fantastic, I love them. Your remarks on all the DEV's hard work are a little annoying, I really do feel for them sometimes. No matter what they do there is ALWAYS someone who wants to complain, and not constructively, but just for the sake of having something to complain about.
The way high powered weapons fire messes with recording gear means it is very hard to get accurate depictions without very expensive sound equipment. The way you hear it in alot of videos is a low quality version with almost nothing in resemblance to what it would sound like if you were actually there.
Not trying to be aggressive here (well mildly I am) but as other people said, alot of the DEV's have military advisers to give references on what it really sounds like. Even if it has to be heavily edited and not just taken straight off a recording, it's the only way to get a legitimate sound.
Also remember that while in an Apache in those videos, the sound recording (from the GunCam) would be nothing like what the pilot hears from where he is sitting. You have lots of different environmental effects from the reverb through the cockpit, vibrations from the cannon, not to mention being surrounded by armour plating.
All of these, in reality, add a different filter to the original sound if heard from the outside.
The way high powered weapons fire messes with recording gear means it is very hard to get accurate depictions without very expensive sound equipment. The way you hear it in alot of videos is a low quality version with almost nothing in resemblance to what it would sound like if you were actually there.
Not trying to be aggressive here (well mildly I am) but as other people said, alot of the DEV's have military advisers to give references on what it really sounds like. Even if it has to be heavily edited and not just taken straight off a recording, it's the only way to get a legitimate sound.
Also remember that while in an Apache in those videos, the sound recording (from the GunCam) would be nothing like what the pilot hears from where he is sitting. You have lots of different environmental effects from the reverb through the cockpit, vibrations from the cannon, not to mention being surrounded by armour plating.
All of these, in reality, add a different filter to the original sound if heard from the outside.
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-21 01:15
Holy descriptive thread name batman.
Untill you actually hear the sound of the cannon firing from the inside of a apache/cobra IRL or have a decent recording from a reliable source, people aren't going to agree with your statement unless they have had first hand experience themselves.
Untill you actually hear the sound of the cannon firing from the inside of a apache/cobra IRL or have a decent recording from a reliable source, people aren't going to agree with your statement unless they have had first hand experience themselves.
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-21 01:21
P2KK;1059655 wrote:Dude you cant judge sounds by those videos. Think like this. The sound is happening on the outside and the camera cant pick up every single sound a human ear can, remember that.
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That would be the best quality i've heard.[/QUOTE
Jed, can I call you Jed? Good. See, here's where you made your first critical mistake; you based your "worldly knowledge" all on what you saw (and heard) on youtube. Unfortunately for you in this case this video was mislabeled by another youtube warrior. The platform in question in this video is in fact not an AH-64 Apache but an MH-60L DAP Blackhawk firing it's twin M134 7.62mm miniguns. Something that sounds far different than either the 20mm gun on the cobra or the 30mm gun on the apache.
Your second critical mistake was not catching the clue when Chuc asked for the source file to this wealth of knowledge you seem to possess. We are always open to (and here's the clincher) constructive criticism here at PR. In fact, we welcome it. Show us what's wrong and why or how to fix it and we'll be happy to help. You've done neither here. Bad move Jed as this makes us wary to listen to any further arguments from you since if there's one thing giving so much of your personal time and effort to mod teaches you it's to construct a well defined internal spam filter to keep one's sanity after months of hard work get's discredited by a wikipedia wonder on the first day after 1 or 2 rounds played.
I hope this makes sense to you Jed and that we can work together in the future to build this mod into something everyone can agree on. Should you have the opportunity to sample some equipment sounds with good quality stereo mic's we'd be happy to incorporate them into the game. Until that time though Jed you'll have to content yourself with what we've provided (for free) and have a nice day.
Re: holy wow in a bad way, read please
Posted: 2009-06-21 01:27
mike which of these attack choppers have a 25mm gun because the M197 is 20mm and the M230 is 30mm?
Re: Apache and Cobra Gun Sounds
Posted: 2009-06-21 04:45
Easy solution is to find a sound, add it to youtube, and see if it sounds the same as the apache youtube videos, then you know lol 
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.Re: Apache and Cobra Gun Sounds
Posted: 2009-06-21 04:54
i love how you all are bashing me cuz of my idea of using something different. and my name isnt mike, or jed, its actually chris 
mike653048 is an account my brother made like 3 years ago when i played vbf2 for 2.5 years.
but back on track i never asked for you guys to bash on me. i was just starting conversation about something in pr. a suggestion to change the current sounds to some more realistic and i dont recall saying.. "hey in your replies, go ahead and bash me for having an idea" but its whatever
mike653048 is an account my brother made like 3 years ago when i played vbf2 for 2.5 years.but back on track i never asked for you guys to bash on me. i was just starting conversation about something in pr. a suggestion to change the current sounds to some more realistic and i dont recall saying.. "hey in your replies, go ahead and bash me for having an idea" but its whatever
Re: Apache and Cobra Gun Sounds
Posted: 2009-06-21 05:12
Anyway, I've been searching for the M197 sound for a while. I can find the sound that's recorded from the side of the gun--the "burp" sound. I can't find the sound that you hear when forward of the gun or at a distance. When you're forward or further away the sound changes dramatically; they don't even sound the same.
Re: Apache and Cobra Gun Sounds
Posted: 2009-06-21 05:18
id love to be proven wrong though. i would like someone to make a correct sound of either the cobra gun or apache gun, while sitting in the gunner seat.
id love to see/hear that.
id love to see/hear that.