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STORM-Mama wrote:Good point. Armies that have deployed heavy battle rifles like the G3 and FAL have also used SMGs alongside those. Examples, except for the British, that I come to think of are the Swedes (who sed the M/45 "Swedish K" alongside their G3s) and the Israelis (Uzis and FALs).

And the Norwegians, who don't.

As for the medic argument, remember that the in-game medic is simply a medic-trained rifleman, or a "patrol medic", if you like.

I want G3KA4 for Medic,hat,combat engineer, rifleman specialist, AA,

Ask yourself, would the modeling time on that really be worth the effort and gameplay difference?

Viki wrote:Seconded.
I hear and read enough of stories where people already make insane killing sprees with the MEC crewmen kits, I can only imagine the disaster of the l33t3rs getting their hands on them SMG's as a regular kit.

All the best,
Viki

well, Hoever SMG kits are mainly Close quarters kits. and at last in CLICK 21, close quarter combat is not COMUN, because people don't keep esposed like retartds, they use camuflage, cover all brasilians have a bit of JUGLE WORRIORS (elite troops located in Amazonia).

and can sadly say, SMG KITS WILL NOT MAKE UNBALACE in click 21. because in long ranges it is useless.

SMG kits main by a diferent kit choose. for the Oficer kit how outmost of time walk in front showing the safest way for that he need a good close combat weopow surry of it. but has well it must be a Rifleman Kit, since he got granedes and this IMO, make a diference in a house clearing, combined whicht a SMG, i can't say what will stand agasit this kit, in house clearing.

but by the way? this is for what it is suposed right?

hoever SMG kit + Grenades, must by surry ah limited kit. BUT YOU CAN ALSO CHOOSE A AR kit,

hell i kwon better that ever one that AR kit is overpowerd, and have a unreal RECOIL, has well outmost no recoil in stand up, has ever M249 SAW have a great RECOIL in stan up, and people use brust of MIN 3 to MAX 7 Shoots (rebering the 2 last shoots get quite inacuracy), and this one is the LMG the best LMG weopow in world, belive my, i has whacthing You tube, and is't realy unmacthed acuracy compared whicht other LMG kits.

but if we make AR kits have it's weekness back, SMG kits will be fine to add something NEW in game.

HAAN4 wrote:hoever SMG kit + Grenades, must by surry ah limited kit. BUT YOU CAN ALSO CHOOSE A AR kit,

hell i kwon better that ever one that AR kit is overpowerd, and have a unreal RECOIL, has well outmost no recoil in stand up, has ever M203 SAW have a great RECOIL in stan up, and people use brust of MIN 3 to MAX 7 Shoots (rebering the 2 last shoots get quite inacuracy), and this one is the LMG weopow in world, belive my, i has whacthing You tube, and is't realy unmacthed acuracy compared whicht other LMG kits.

but if we make AR kits have it's weekness back, SMG kits will be fine to add something NEW in game.

M203 SAWs exist definitely.

No to SMG kits, because there's no valid reason. There's an LMG, use it.

Hunt3r wrote:M203 SAWs exist definitely.

No to SMG kits, because there's no valid reason. There's an LMG, use it.

what did you say? i din't say M249 SAWs don't exist. i just have to say, that when you shoot in stand up you have a large recoil evem whicht a M249 SAW that alerdy have lesse recoil that other LMGs in world.

There is no M203 SAW. There is, however, an M249 SAW.

You mean...THE MARK 19?! D:

M.

[R-MOD]KP wrote:There is no M203 SAW. There is, however, an M249 SAW.

Well, shiet.... you right

M203 is a Granadier kit. in assault rifles.

so many weopows names, that sometimes i get cofused.

The MP5 i thinks not really a not a over powered close quater weapon, it really only shines on full auto and that pretty expensive in terms of Ammo. if you get into a sustained engagement where your not able to resupply this becomes a real problem.

And at mid range it loses to higher calibre weapons hands down.
I don't think the SMG need's to be fielded with or given less ammo, it fine the way it is.

And yes it might be a good idea if it was more available to the Mec team, The G3 has one of the best iron sight in game, next to the AK-74 and the the L85, but the G3 has way to much recoil and to small a mag for Close quaters,

RHYS4190 wrote:but the G3 has way to much recoil

disagree, the G3 recoil is very controllable when countered with mouse movement.

G3 recoil - Xfire Video

video i made showing it, and its even better in room to room.

gazzthompson wrote:disagree, the G3 recoil is very controllable when countered with mouse movement.

G3 recoil - Xfire Video

video i made showing it, and its even better in room to room.

Yes it can be done, But the G3 still is inferior to other rifles for close quater fighting in terms of accuracy. ,

But do you see how violent the recoil is, And how hard it is to control it like trying to control a volcano or a raging bull. And that not good you don't want to have to fight to control your weapon when your fighting in close quarters, We all know this weapon can be controlled to a extent on full auto, but because of it poor Characteristic’s it will never be as good as the other rifles,.

When i use the G3, i ether use a 2-4 round burst, or just single shot and use a double tap technique ore just stay out of close quarter’s all together and make use of the excellent iron sight's that are on the weapon.

Longbow* wrote:You miss 1 part: L1A1 is SLR - FN FAL without selective fire option, while G3A3 is selective-fire battle rifle. Hence, no need for SMG.

p/s I would choose MC51 if you ask me. More reasonable imo. Same mags, same ammo as G3's, size of MP5.

The L1A1 SLR has selective fire (single shot or 3-round burst), it just doesn't have full auto. It's not required with such a powerful round. Even in CQB anything after the third round on full auto, would almost certainly end up in or very close to the ceiling.

Ever wonder why they chambered the AK47 in 7.62x39 and not 7.62x54R?

Which reminds me of another army who used at least 1 SMG (PPSh-41 and 43) per infantry squad, back when their service rifles used larger caliber ammunition (Mosin-Nagant and SVT.)

i do think a right click option on the automatic rifle man (like officer iron/scope) could requset a kit with iron sights or a SMG or a standard issue weapon with a shorter barrels case in point the ak-74u

RHYS4190 wrote:Yes it can be done, But the G3 still is inferior to other rifles for close quater fighting in terms of accuracy. ,

But do you see how violent the recoil is, And how hard it is to control it like trying to control a volcano or a raging bull. And that not good you don't want to have to fight to control your weapon when your fighting in close quarters, We all know this weapon can be controlled to a extent on full auto, but because of it poor Characteristic’s it will never be as good as the other rifles,.

When i use the G3, i ether use a 2-4 round burst, or just single shot and use a double tap technique ore just stay out of close quarter’s all together and make use of the excellent iron sight's that are on the weapon.

disagree, the video clearly shows how controllable the G3 is on a door sized target at 25m. its even more effective at 5m, has a higher rate of fire than m4/m16 and packs more of a punch.

gazzthompson wrote:disagree, the video clearly shows how controllable the G3 is on a door sized target at 25m. its even more effective at 5m, has a higher rate of fire than m4/m16 and packs more of a punch.

Fine i can't convince you, never mind.

RHYS4190 wrote:Fine i can't convince you, never mind.

i put the effort in making a video to show how controllable the G3 is, contrary to popular belief, you make one showing how wild it is and ill be convinced.

Terry Tibbs wrote:The L1A1 SLR has selective fire (single shot or 3-round burst), it just doesn't have full auto.

No it doesnt. The L1A1 is semi or safe, there is no select fire capability what so ever. There are modifications that can be made to certian parts of the weapon (such as the trigger sear) to make it go full auto, but then it can only be fired in full automatic and this is not standard practice.

gazzthompson wrote:has a higher rate of fire than m4/m16

Higher rate of fire?

G3 600 rpm

M4/M16 900rpm