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'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1151764']The leftover Dragons are in a landfill somewhere.



As I said before, boo-f***ing-hoo for them. Other factions in game have the BMP-3, BRDM Spandrel and gun-launched anti-tank missiles. None of which have any direct equivalent in any "Blue" faction, but are very powerful, especially with a good crew. Hell, the PLA makes do in-game with a 120mm bazooka [PF-98].

Well I agree, you cant make all factions the basicaly same Off topic: what do they do with unused anti-tank weapons that are beeing fased out? do they just let 40000$ missiles rot away? I would have used them all against a poor rock or something better than just leaving them to become useless in some storage isnt it?

[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:
Okay, interesting. So then you "fam-fire" every weapon you might have to pick up.

Correct i am trained on the M240, AT4, M72, SMAW, M16, M4, M67, Smoke nades, M203, M32, M9, M2, Mk19 and we got plenty of demo classes.

The Javelin would be a nice addition. A question though; how effective is it against modern MBTs? Both the Russian T-90 and (IIRC) Chinese ZTZ-99 have equipment that are able to warn the crews when they are being targeted by a laser-guided weapon. The Russian Shtora (used in the T-90) can send "false signals" to scramble an ATGM (including the Javelin?) and confuse its targeting computer in different ways. It also has the ability to automatically turn the turret towards the source if the laser, giving the crew an idea about where the enemy is hidden and located.

If these counter-measures are as effective as they sound, I see no reason for the Russians or Chinese factions to "Booo-fuckin'hooo". Unguided anti-tank systems still seem like the best way to take out enemy tanks, not as easy to create your own technology to counter. Lure them into ambushes and hit them where they are weak. Good tactics and brains will always defeat fancy technology.

how does the SMAW work, like a SRAW? can you correct its flight path in flight like the SRAW? is it as effective?

how far does it go before it drops?

Conman51=US= wrote:how does the SMAW work, like a SRAW? can you correct its flight path in flight like the SRAW? is it as effective?

how far does it go before it drops?

The SMAW is an unguided weapon. Once you fire there is nothing you can do to change its path. I cant really tell you its max effective ranges as i wouldnt want the enemy to use that to their advantage although im sure you cant find it somewhere on the net that is close enough to the real thing.

STORM-Mama wrote:The Javelin would be a nice addition. A question though; how effective is it against modern MBTs? Both the Russian T-90 and (IIRC) Chinese ZTZ-99 have equipment that are able to warn the crews when they are being targeted by a laser-guided weapon. The Russian Shtora (used in the T-90) can send "false signals" to scramble an ATGM (including the Javelin?) and confuse its targeting computer in different ways. It also has the ability to automatically turn the turret towards the source if the laser, giving the crew an idea about where the enemy is hidden and located.

If these counter-measures are as effective as they sound, I see no reason for the Russians or Chinese factions to "Booo-fuckin'hooo". Unguided anti-tank systems still seem like the best way to take out enemy tanks, not as easy to create your own technology to counter. Lure them into ambushes and hit them where they are weak. Good tactics and brains will always defeat fancy technology.

Claimed Shtora/Arena effects on the Javelin are unproven, as of yet. But if we could actually simulate them realistically in game, which given this engine, I doubt, then maybe they would be relevant. Until then, the only thing they can do is try and get to cover, shoot the gunner before he shoots them, or better yet, have their infantry support do their jobs. LWR only work on laser designators or laser rangefinders, neither of which the Javelin CLU has.

Conman51=US= wrote:how does the SMAW work, like a SRAW? can you correct its flight path in flight like the SRAW? is it as effective?

how far does it go before it drops?

No. It's just a bazooka. When it starts to drop you'd have to ask Ironcomatose.

[Edit]Ninja'ed by IC.

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1151786']No. It's just a bazooka. When it starts to drop you'd have to ask Ironcomatose.

[Edit]Ninja'ed by IC.

Let me just say that isnt far off and it changes depending on the type of rocket being fired.

[Edited for OPSEC]

As far as I can tell it's just your standard point and shoot dumb rocket. Max range of around 500 metres. Also wikipedia is your friend.

Jedimushroom wrote:As far as I can tell it's just your standard point and shoot dumb rocket. Max range of around 500 metres. Also wikipedia is your friend.

Its max range is much further than that although that is close to the max effective for one of the rounds.

How much zoom does that optic give? if any at all,

So this is kinda like the American version of what China has in PR?

Army wont get this will they?

And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?

Conman51=US= wrote: And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?

Exactly.

Conman51=US= wrote:How much zoom does that optic give? if any at all,

So this is kinda like the American version of what China has in PR?

Army wont get this will they?

And the tracer, is that fired from like a side barrel?

1. x3.8, or x4 if the ACOG is used.

2. Yes.

3. No, the Army never adopted the Mk-153 SMAW; just borrowed some for testing during ODS. Only the Ranger Regiment uses something similar, the Carl Gustav M3. However, the Army did adopt the single-shot disposable version of the HEDP round used by the Mk-153 launcher, SMAW-D, as the M141 Bunker Defeat Munition.

4. Yes. A semi-automatic, detachable magazine-fed spotting rifle is attached to the right side of the weapon. It is visible in these pics:

http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/divpa ... 3C-019.jpg

http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/Pub ... 07/at4.jpg

The round it fires is a 9mm tracer projectile fitted to a necked up 7.62 x 51mm NATO standard cartridge.

'[R-DEV wrote:Eddie Baker;1151839']1. x3, or x4 if the ACOG is used.

2. Yes.

3. No, the Army never adopted the Mk-153 SMAW; just borrowed some for testing during ODS. Only the Ranger Regiment uses something similar, the Carl Gustav M3. However, the Army did adopt the single-shot disposable version of the HEDP round used by the Mk-153 launcher, SMAW-D, as the M141 Bunker Defeat Munition.

4. Yes. A bolt action, repeating spotting rifle is attached to the right side of the weapon. It is visible in these pics:

http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/divpa ... 3C-019.jpg

http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/Pub ... 07/at4.jpg

The round it fires is a 9mm tracer projectile fitted to a necked up 7.62 x 51mm NATO standard cartridge.

Im pretty sure the spotting rifle is not bolt action.

http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/di...-9013C-019.jpg

http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/...s/2007/at4.jpg


Links don't work.

Ironcomatose wrote:Im pretty sure the spotting rifle is not bolt action.

It isn't? Guess I'm one-upped. How is it fed/operated? Edit: Yep, quick search reveals it is semi-auto with a 6 round detachable mag. Damn, now I have to do push-ups . . .

Tomato_With_A_Rifle wrote:http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/di...-9013C-019.jpg

http://www.marines.mil/unit/24thmeu/...s/2007/at4.jpg


Links don't work.

That tends to be a problem for people outside the US. Those are too big to in-link.

Wait, did you cut and paste the links? They were truncated by the forum, so that method won't work.

I seriously don't see why the Javelin wasn't implemented before. Anyways its seems what sort of obvious to what should happen.

The SMAW replaces the SRAW for the Marines
The Javelin replaces the SRAW for the Army.

I mean I'm not sure how its coded, but the Javelin is also used to attack infantry (sometimes) or buildings (which aren't all destructible). But it seems the SMAW is worse than the SRAW, so maybe just replace both with the Javelin unless the Marines don't use it?

Well, replacing the SRAW with the SMAW as a heavy anti-tank weapon is an impossibility for the marines; There's no way in hell it packs enough power to put a dent in any MEC or PLA MBT, and is pretty much just a beefed up AT-4 in terms of stopping power against APC's.

[R-DEV]Eddie Baker wrote:It isn't? Guess I'm one-upped. How is it fed/operated? Edit: Yep, quick search reveals it is semi-auto with a 6 round detachable mag. Damn, now I have to do push-ups . . .

Ah :d rillserg ONE TWO THREE!!

Yes, each rocket case comes with the rocket itself and a magazine with the 6 spotting rounds. Fun fact, the spotting rounds dont really work cause once you fire the spotting round and depress the charging lever and fire you have moved the rocket. Even the slightest will allow you to miss a small target like a technical at 400 meters.

it would be pretty funny if they implemented the spotting rifle in the SMAW for pr. people would be trying to shoot bad guys with it lol

SkaterCrush wrote:I seriously don't see why the Javelin wasn't implemented before. Anyways its seems what sort of obvious to what should happen.

The SMAW replaces the SRAW for the Marines
The Javelin replaces the SRAW for the Army.

I mean I'm not sure how its coded, but the Javelin is also used to attack infantry (sometimes) or buildings (which aren't all destructible). But it seems the SMAW is worse than the SRAW, so maybe just replace both with the Javelin unless the Marines don't use it?

The Marines do use the Javelin, as has already been stated here. Javelin, if implemented, would replace SRAW for both. But as also stated in this thread, the SMAW would be nice for infantry maps.

Anyways, this thread has been repetitive long enough, and was a resuggestion to begin with. Going to lock it now.