Hammer for taliban,insurgents,miltia,chechnya

[Spinkyone]

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f22-mi ... urces.html

This should apply to the suggestion forum as well.


lol, i asked for a source on a claim based on "reality" and people are having a go at me? seriously? sourcing is the basis of any argument, deal with it.

Well there it is. There is a sliding scale with practically when it come to these things and alas I only have so much time. Of course some insurgent is going to use a hammer if he has one to smash something but doubting something so basic made me laugh so damn hard.

No one is having a go at you but on this basis anyone can say "OMG I saw a video with an Insurgent using an RPG-32 etc + source must go in PR" it's the application of the bleeding obvious that makes these things viable. I hope this goes to show a process of trying to put a suggestion together without all the damn sniping you see on here all the time.

[gazzthompson]

Well there it is. There is a sliding scale with practically when it come to these things and alas I only have so much time. Of course some insurgent is going to use a hammer if he has one to smash something but doubting something so basic made me laugh so damn hard.

Oh im sure at least on some occasions people(militants) have used sledgehammers to breach a house at some stage. But are they widely enough in use in afghanistan and the likes by militants as a breaching tool? why would one bother carry around a sledge hammer in combat (in which the basis of all your engagements is hit and run) when you can merely use other means to open doors?

As i said, all suggestions should have a source that's common sense especial if based on "realism".

is this suggestion realistic? unlikely.
Is it worth it? unlikely.

But to be honest, i dont care. shotgun or sledge hammer i merely wanted some one to source a comment based on real life.

[Spinkyone]

True I guess, but the OP was suggesting dual usage as a construction tool so the hammer fitted the picture as as much a believable sense as the shovel in terms of a useful tool compared to bashing it with an AK. Still alternate means of opening doors would be nice for OPFOR if space could be made, although it's prevalence of late is mainly due to 0.9 having some map issues with breaching. Like all things you make do with what you have and this tool is suited for a specific job at times. In the end though as I first posted the issue would be space and inability to implement this anyway in a regular sense and would really only be a novelty.

EDIT: Keys would be the ideal option though and I'd wonder if they can be implemented in a similar way to say a spanner way used to repair damaged statics as old and give collaborators (for example) something else to collaborate about.

[Startrekern]

Oh im sure at least on some occasions people(militants) have used sledgehammers to breach a house at some stage. But are they widely enough in use in afghanistan and the likes by militants as a breaching tool? why would one bother carry around a sledge hammer in combat (in which the basis of all your engagements is hit and run) when you can merely use other means to open doors?

As i said, all suggestions should have a source that's common sense especial if based on "realism".

is this suggestion realistic? unlikely.
Is it worth it? unlikely.

But to be honest, i dont care. shotgun or sledge hammer i merely wanted some one to source a comment based on real life.

Do insurgents, taliban etc. carry around magic shovels (That are US issued) that they use to construct wooden structures?

No.

SHOVELS AREN'T REALISTIC OMG SOURCE IT OR DIE.

[gazzthompson]

Do insurgents, taliban etc. carry around magic shovels (That are US issued) that they use to construct wooden structures?

No.

SHOVELS AREN'T REALISTIC OMG SOURCE IT OR DIE.

fail on numerous levels. in the mean time im going to go make suggestions about brits using SCAR instead of SA80 as its realistic.

[masterceo]

True I guess, but the OP was suggesting dual usage as a construction tool

AFAIK a weapon can't repair and deal damage at the same time (someone already suggested that with a wrench).

[Spinkyone]

AFAIK a weapon can't repair and deal damage at the same time (someone already suggested that with a wrench).

Hmm I'm going to trial something for the keys idea as I believe it can work in the same way as a vBF2 medic bag. You can have an area of effect repair and the ability to launch a bag as in vBF2 as a projectile, get the materials right and you should be able to make a "key" afaik without it being exploitable. Just the issue with area of effect automatic things and PR dislike of them in general. So should be able to repair a door by standing near it automatically and unlocking it launching a key (or invisible short range projectile) at it. The limitation is in the animations I suspect but has numerous gameplay advantages.

[Cheditor]

It has been said that you cannot have both damage and repair/health on an object. Also when is a sledgehammer used to build something, try hammering in the nails on a hideout with that.

[myles]

no it wouldn't. well that was a productive debate.

Well how would a slug breaching shot gun be more realistic?
Th hammer would be a metaphor for breaking a door like i kinda mean smashing it with anything they can find.

Like the grapple hook its hardley used by marines or army but its a metaphor for getting into buldings which you are not enterable in PR.

If your so worked about me not being able to find a source for this try find a source of taliban using specific breching slugs to open a door.

[Scot]

Well how would a slug breaching shot gun be more realistic?
Th hammer would be a metaphor for breaking a door like i kinda mean smashing it with anything they can find.
*snip*

If your so worked about me not being able to find a source for this try find a source of taliban using specific breching slugs to open a door.

There probably isn't one. However, for what it does, does making a sledgehammer, texturing it, getting it ingame, adding to game files, is it really worth it, when it completes the same task?

Firstly, we are not 100% sure of how used they are in afghanistan etc. This means that we questions it's use.

Secondly, we have something in-game already, that can provide a decent metaphor for knocking down a door with sledgehammer, shoulder, rifle butt and shotgun shell.

This means that putting something in game like a sledgehammer, wouldn't complete a lot. As well as the fact that it would either be able to destroy doors or build FOBs (as far as I know), not both, then it's not really needed, in my opinion.

[Startrekern]

Easy solution to the repair/deal damage problem for the hammer:

Make doors OPEN be the 'repaired' version, and doors closed be the 'broken' version. Have the doors start 'broken'.

[goguapsy]

Shouldn't there be a collision problem? (sorry if this was already discussed)

As in, with a breaching slug you aim and shoot. The bullet can go as far as what? 15ft or something like that? A hammer would have to be able to "shoot" something for a short distance... unless there is a way around this...

[dtacs]

Would be cool to see the hooligan tool in. In use by the Dutch according to the guy on MP.net (CTRL + F for hooligan) United States SOF pics




I'm sure that it could dominate any wooden doors that are present in PR.

[Kirra]

no it wouldn't. well that was a productive debate.

Rofl. Please gimme some sources on the use of breaching slugs by the Taliban.

Wow, I'm impressed with myself. I actually managed not to call you something bad, even though I really wanted to. Yay me!

[hartbilt]

Rofl. Please gimme some sources on the use of breaching slugs by the Taliban.

Wow, I'm impressed with myself. I actually managed not to call you something bad, even though I really wanted to. Yay me!

That's what I've been shouting, In fact finding any legit source of combat standards of equipment/tactics of the groups in questions would be nearly impossible, as it relates to the game and in comparison w/ Coalition standards. A Taliban soldier is gonna wear whatever he has wear, shoot whatever rifle he can get, improvise demos from anything he can find, and He will attack his enemy with great violence whenever/where-ever/and how ever He can, and He'll knock down a damn door anyway he sees fit.

Anyways truth of the matter is, average Taliban man ain't kicking doors down or blowing them away with slugs. But as it relates to the game, it's important for them to have the ability to breech doors, shotguns or otherwise. IMHO, for kit loadouts for this group to be truly accurate then all the kit contents would be completely variable, but I would never suggest it for the game.


See any standards? I don't.

[hartbilt]

Rofl. Please gimme some sources on the use of breaching slugs by the Taliban.

Wow, I'm impressed with myself. I actually managed not to call you something bad, even though I really wanted to. Yay me!

Wait found something......

Reverse Engineering: Why Taliban never run out of weapons

Reverse Engineering: Why Taliban never run out of weapons | Reality Pod

article doesn't provide sources for info/pictures.
But it's guys that "look the part" at least, with some shotguns. so ya kno...

[Bringerof_D]

I was in the process of editing my post with extra sources since I suspected as much.

But still a very basic source:
YouTube - Mythbusters - Shootin' Locks

the mythbusters failed me on this one. the key to breaching wtih a weapon is to NOT shoot the lock. what they are supposed to be shooting at is the mechanism which allows the lock to work on the door. so if its a pad lock attached to a ring, shoot where the ring is mounted to the door.

[ComradeHX]

Might aswell change this for the rifleman specialists too.

Next thing you know, people are arresting civilians with sledge hammers. XD

/sarcasm

Nobody carries a big hammer in a warzone.

Also, since lots of gates were locked by chains, would it not make more sense for a chain-cutter to be added?

Wait found something......

Reverse Engineering: Why Taliban never run out of weapons

Reverse Engineering: Why Taliban never run out of weapons | Reality Pod

article doesn't provide sources for info/pictures.
But it's guys that "look the part" at least, with some shotguns. so ya kno...

You mean Khyber Pass? They do make lots of guns off iron ores and blown-up soviet tanks. But that is a big part of their economy (started with the British providing methods to make one of those older bolt-action rifles that I forgot the name of).

They can make any model of guns you want.

[ComradeHX]

*accidental double-post*

[gazzthompson]

Rofl. Please gimme some sources on the use of breaching slugs by the Taliban.

"You don't need to find sources for everything in PR you know."

no thanks, according to some sources are not need so yeah taliban never ever ever use sledge hammers.