Aussie Forces?

[HangMan_]

Johnny this is a thread about the Aussie forces in PR:V, not about the French Foreign Legion or 22SAS. Please take this argument somewhere else now seeing as its no longer even related to the Australian forces.

On topic: I checked EoD2 and could not see a centurion tank But there is a M113 which the aussies used in vietnam, so at least there is potential for a small part of the armour corps.

[Saobh]

Back to the thread topic people or more infractions and locking will ensue. Thank you.

[Hitman.2.5]

Exactly why I compared it to the French legion, SAS had French, Polish, Danish and many other foreign regiments during world war 2. You obviously have absolutely no knowledge about that. Max Manus was way more famous (and successful) than Lewis. Go read about where he's from.

Of course a book called the originals wrote by Gordon Stevens made it all up..


Back on topic...

On topic: I checked EoD2 and could not see a centurion tank .

It was used by the aussies in Vietnam XD don't go by a games files

According to Failpedia:

In 1967 the Royal Australian Armoured Corps' (RAAC), 1st Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) Squadron transferred to "A" Squadron, 3rd Cavalry Regiment Vietnam. Although they successfully conducted combat operations in their areas of operation(s) (AOs), reports from the field stated that their light-armour (M-113 ACAVs) were unable to force their way through dense jungle limiting their offensive actions against enemy forces. The Australian government, under criticism from Parliament, decided to send a Squadron of Australian Centurion tanks to South Vietnam. The 84 mm-gunned[14] Australian Centurions of 'C' Squadron, 1st Armoured Regiment landed in the Republic of South Vietnam on 24 February 1968, and were headquartered at Nui Dat in III Corps (MR3).

Colonel Donald B. Dunstan, later to be governor of South Australia, was the Deputy Task Force Commander of the Australian Forces in South Vietnam Col. Dunstan had quite possibly been the last Australian to utilize tanks and infantry in a combined arms operation during WWII, during the Bougainville campaign. And, for the first time since WWII, Col Dunstan would be commanding Australia's tanks and infantry in combat again. When he temporarily took over command during Brigader R. L. Hughes absence, he directed that the Centurions be brought up from Nui Dat, to reinforce the firebases at Coral and Balmoral, believing that they were a strong element that weren't being used. Besides adding a great deal of firepower, Col. Dunstan stated, he "...couldn't see any reason why they (Centurions) shouldn't be there..."His foresight in the coming battles enabled the 1st ATF to inflict approximately 267 enemy casualties during the six week long battle at Coral and Balmoral, as well as capturing 11 POWs, 36 crew-served weapons, 112 small arms, and other miscellaneous enemy weapons.

After the battles at firebases Coral and Balmoral, in which the 1st Australian Task Force defeated the 141st and 165th NVA Infantry Regiments[20] in May 1968; a third Centurion troop, which included two tankdozers, was formed. By September 1968 'C' Squadron was brought to its full strength of four troops, each equipped with four Centurion tanks. By 1969, 'B' Squadron, 3rd Cavalry; 'A' Squadron, 1st Armoured Regiment; 'B' Squadron, 1st Armoured Regiment; and 'C' Squadron, 1st Armoured Regiment, had all made rotations through South Vietnam. Originally deployed as 26 Centurion tanks, after three and a half years of combat operations, 58 Centurions had served in country; 42, of which 6 were beyond repair, suffered battle damage, and two Centurion tank crewmen had been killed in action.

The Centurion crews, after operating for a few weeks in country, soon learned to remove the protective armored side skirts from both sides of the tank, to prevent the vegetation & mud from building up between the track and the fenders. Each Centurion in Vietnam normally carried a basic load of 62 rounds of 20 pounder shells (84mm), 4,000 rounds of .50 caliber & 9,000 rounds of .30 caliber machinegun ammunition for its one tank commander's and two coaxial machineguns; and were equipped with gasoline engines, which necessitated the use of an extra externally mounted 100 gallon fuel tank, which was attached to its stern.

[Bigglestheman]

The french we're pretty much gone after the defeat of Dien bien Phu in 1954. However, like many I've almost never heard of the Aussies during Vietnam.

Any numbers on the troops that we're sent? I'm guessing something around 5000-10 000 max since it wasn't much covered.

Would be a shame if it was more if you ask me, shame that there wasn't more coverage from the media and history books.

I knew they were there I just don't really know if they even did a lot of fighting obviously not as much as the US or ARVN.

[HangMan_]

It [referring to Centurion Tank - HangMan] was used by the aussies in Vietnam XD don't go by a games files

hehe i think you misinterpreted my statement. i was commenting on the lack of an ingame Centurion tank model, not that they weren't used in Vietnam by the aussies. The lack of model means that it would be a little more difficult to get it ingame. It involves more work as it needs to be done from scratch, unlike the M113 that only needs a reskin.

[Hitman.2.5]

ahh ok lol

[HangMan_]

ahh ok lol

Hopefully we can con someone into making a centurion, it would be awesome to have ingame

[Trooper909]

This is informitive stuff for me.
I thought Nam was just a yankie thing with north korean alies.No Yankie film,doc or game has ever said anything about aussie help .

Looking foward to seeing aussie foces in game soon.

[Gunner_downer]

This was the first time NZ and Aussie went into a war the UK wasn't involved in, because of the domino theory and its relevance to our countries.

[HangMan_]

This was the first time NZ and Aussie went into a war the UK wasn't involved in, because of the domino theory and its relevance to our countries.

Politically it was a nightmare for both nations because the choice was made to move more in support of the USA than of traditional ally Great Britain. Great Britain was engaged in the Borneo Crisis at the start of the vietnam war, and so were the New Zealanders and Australians. This meant our troops had experience in jungle warfare before vietnam. Anyway... It gets into political hell when America requests military involvement from NZ and AU who are already heavily commited in Malaya/Borneo. However due to ANZAM we are pressured to send troops to both conflicts. This led to troops being transferred from Malaya/Borneo to Vietnam, in effect reweighting our super power allegiance to the USA over Great Britain.

History lesson over

[Technoelite]

i let u know if the devs are building ontop of what already is in EOD most of the stuff is already their for aussies i remember a vallely map misty running trhough with an SLR that was fun

[RUSSIAN147]

Aussies and Kiwi's are never featured or talked about, even though with our small numbers we had more of a detrimental effect on the enemy both physically and psychologically. Most of the time we had to go for huge patrols to find the VC. And if my arguement isn't strong enough already, how many Americans have heard of the ANZAC forces largest engagement of the war: Long Tan?

[Ninjam3rc]

Aussies and Kiwi's are never featured or talked about, even though with our small numbers we had more of a detrimental effect on the enemy both physically and psychologically. Most of the time we had to go for huge patrols to find the VC. And if my arguement isn't strong enough already, how many Americans have heard of the ANZAC forces largest engagement of the war: Long Tan?

We get it, Aussies and Kiwis helped. However, to make statements like your first statement are completely ridiculous. The previous statements of the "rampant" drug use of the Americans are a bit out of line as well. Did drug use happen? Sure, but it was mostly late war among draftees and even then it wasn't as widespread as people tend to think. As for your comment on Long Tan, how many Americans know of any large engagements in Vietnam. Our history classes gloss over war with what is at best a 30 minute session in one class period over a semester.

[RUSSIAN147]

We get it, Aussies and Kiwis helped. However, to make statements like your first statement are completely ridiculous. The previous statements of the "rampant" drug use of the Americans are a bit out of line as well. Did drug use happen? Sure, but it was mostly late war among draftees and even then it wasn't as widespread as people tend to think. As for your comment on Long Tan, how many Americans know of any large engagements in Vietnam. Our history classes gloss over war with what is at best a 30 minute session in one class period over a semester.

I agree with you about the lack of education on Vietnam. Its sad really. I apologise for the statement about rampant drug use as well.