re-ordering sniper's equipment

[goguapsy]

As I said earlier on... Yes, a sniper CAN kill. But MOST OF THE TIME he is useless @ shooting (he fires a couple of rounds and is quickly spotted normally). While he sure can take out a couple of guys (ex. AA right before a chopper comes for an attack run), I believe it is much more efficient and damaging for him to spot an enemy squad, notify the team, and guide the infantry or vehicle through a safe place to clear the area.

[Zoddom]

Did you even read the OP?

At no point does it mention anything about squad sizes, squad layout, or squad anything. It doesn't mention kit request restrictions at all, either.

i know, but since this is a discussion about changen sniper kits, i jsut wanted to say that

nothing for ungood


@goguapsy:
you might be right, but youll never some squads or even the whole team following your orders as a sniper.

and thats why i think (and thats my point of view in this whole discussion) the sniper kit needs a complete renovation.

[goguapsy]

@goguapsy:
you might be right, but youll never some squads or even the whole team following your orders as a sniper.

and thats why i think (and thats my point of view in this whole discussion) the sniper kit needs a complete renovation.

Yeah that's why I think a sniper that does NOT communicate and doesn't have an officer as SL and spotter is pretty much useless -- I would follow a good sniper. Too bad it isn't frequent.

But as someone said some time ago, "Every time you request the sniper kit, a kid cries". Other words, having the sniper kit be even 1337er wouldn't hurt the gameplay... afterall who wants a triggerhappy kid in their squad

[Zoddom]

Yeah that's why I think a sniper that does NOT communicate and doesn't have an officer as SL and spotter is pretty much useless -- I would follow a good sniper. Too bad it isn't frequent.

But as someone said some time ago, "Every time you request the sniper kit, a kid cries". Other words, having the sniper kit be even 1337er wouldn't hurt the gameplay... afterall who wants a triggerhappy kid in their squad

When Im going to take a sniper kit, i invite some guys in my squad to get it. but then im always pissed when they follow e, i usually have to kick them cause they just wont understand that i dont want/need a spotter. on the other side, i would really like to be member of a good squad, take my sniper kit and tell the sql "look, im going in that building over there, there i got a good view". then my sql could report my reports to the commander.
BUT, never find any squad who allows me to take sniper kit, and this mssing tolerance leads (imo) to inefective use of the sniper kit.

[killonsight95]

snipers need spotters otherwise tunnel vision occurs also if 1 out a 6 man squad is not fighting then thats a waste of space imo. a sniper kit should be used in a 3 man team, 1 spotter, 1 sniper and one medic.This way there is a gaurd and a way to get the sniper back up if he is taken down.

[goguapsy]

When Im going to take a sniper kit, i invite some guys in my squad to get it. but then im always pissed when they follow e, i usually have to kick them cause they just wont understand that i dont want/need a spotter. on the other side, i would really like to be member of a good squad, take my sniper kit and tell the sql "look, im going in that building over there, there i got a good view". then my sql could report my reports to the commander.
BUT, never find any squad who allows me to take sniper kit, and this mssing tolerance leads (imo) to inefective use of the sniper kit.

It all comes down to this: How old are you?



(TRUST ME R-MODs, this is NOT an useless post -- I have a point, trust me).

[Sgt.BountyOrig]

Hide the rifle in slot 9 and put patches in its place in 3

[Zoddom]

It all comes down to this: How old are you?



(TRUST ME R-MODs, this is NOT an useless post -- I have a point, trust me).

since you said you have a point: im turning 19 next month
i got the feeling that you cant really estimate the difference between the level of fun of those to sniper roles, we are discussing here (which are both realistic and possible to play)
its your decision

[m1oh7]

just for your informational purposes the usmc and the army are now shifting over to a whole squad as a sniper team, I can attest to this as i am in one but i dont really think it would matter much in game considering this engine cant support more than 64 player games, now with the arma 2 engine this will open the snipers job to epic proportions because we will be able to have gigantinormous games with all sorts of crew served and other hvt's to take shots at as needed.


For an example on the whole squad

1 squad leader who usually handles the commo and all that good shit

2 the actual sniper

3 spotter

4 security/ secondary shooter depending on mission

5 security

6 security


now this can go onto 8 and ive actually worked with 10 but that was an amazing pain in the *** to coordinate.

[SnipeHunt]

I do not see the sniper kit as an intel kit. sure the gltd can help the air attacks, but the advanced zoom is too advanced for the current sight distance the regular binoculars work fine. I find the specialist is just as good or better at gathering intel. That grapple hook opens up alot of spaces to hide. On city maps, hiding in a balcony is a great place to sit.. just for an example. The sniper has no chance of getting there without help from another member and they'd have to stay with him to keep him from getting stranded.
The sniper kit is very good at taking out infantry from afar... and alot of 'em.

[SnipeHunt]

Add the ninja kit as the intel kit!

[Zoddom]

@m1oh7:
the problemis, you just cant have a whole sniper squad ingame. having 5 people who follow you will make you a very easy target. even if youve only one spotter, its much more safer to go alone, because two silhouettes are so easy to notice. the best you can do in 0.91 is imo being a squadleader in a "do what you want"-squad being sniper, sneaking alone through the battlefield and kepping up voice comm with the commander.

edit: "I find the specialist is just as good or better at gathering intel." i agree

[SGT.Ice]

If you're a sniper and you're getting shot at, you've already failed you're role.

The few times I've used the sniper kit recently, I spend more time talking to my SL than actually shooting the enemy.

If it is possible to give points to players for accurately spotting targets via the radio and remove kills from the score sheet, people'd be more inclined to actually gather intel if/when the radio is added to the snipers kit.

Well what I find to be a big part of the problem is the fact that there is so few places to actually perform your duties. Especially in city maps. Usually the obvious spots would be mountains or the hotels. It's quite annoying that there isn't more buildings we can walk into and use to the full extent. I think we need some more variation as far as buildings on some maps.

As said above the specialist is good the problem is when there's no commander and your not a SQL it's hard to relay the intel. Since we don't have radios and your text is usually being pushed to the bottom by everyone trying to relay intel.

And the old 2 zooms on the GTLDs was much better. The zoom is a but much ever since it got changed around. Hard to use it with the view range and how close you sometimes can be to a target.

m1oh7 I like that idea and thats often what I try and do. usually I find somewhere thats got a good range with a kill zone around the area in a radius of about atleast 300M. Everyone's got a job. Whether it's covering the flanks, spotting, getting some supplies or just making sure we don't get shot or spotted. I take a full 6 man squad into the city and just bunker down. Everytime I do it we have taken atleast 20 out. Including a couple LAV's thanks to the nice and handy HAT kits.

[Zoddom]

m1oh7 I like that idea and thats often what I try and do. usually I find somewhere thats got a good range with a kill zone around the area in a radius of about atleast 300M. Everyone's got a job. Whether it's covering the flanks, spotting, getting some supplies or just making sure we don't get shot or spotted. I take a full 6 man squad into the city and just bunker down. Everytime I do it we have taken atleast 20 out. Including a couple LAV's thanks to the nice and handy HAT kits.

with a marksman i think this is a good idea but not with a sniper in your squad.
since its just impossible to have a squadmember making sure you dont get spotted, cause with 6 people you WILL be noticed, the sniper has a much to slow firerate to be effective in this situation.

i agree in your point that there arent enough places to hide, but thats also a reason why so many people think the sniper should rather be used for intel gathering than killing. If you just watch, you wont be noticed as easy as you do on a killing mission. if we had more good places to hide OR silencers on the sniper rifles, more people would agree in using the sniper kit to kill high priority targets or to just weaken the enemies moral.

[Heskey]

:hissyfit on't be a baby

Here is that ignorance thing popping up again.

Step off mate?

The order would make no difference in the world.

You're right in the thought that just because you change a kit order it doesn't mean the weapon isn't there, but psychologically it can do some good. I know if I was to request 'Scout'/'Recon' (or just 'Sniper') kit and the first thing in my hands was the radio, I'd like "Oh, maybe this is my primary function instead of leet kills".

the player can just change the key strokes in the control settings. Making #1 weapon whatever he wants.

And what kind of player, other than a self-absorbed sniper-only player, is going to change their standard rifle key to 4-9 just so that ONE kit works as it used to?

Jonny, you have been helped out by Snipers more that you will ever know or appreciate on the maps you've played.

Most SniperHaters seems to talk like they fallow the Sniper around the map the whole game, and know what they do.

Speaking on behalf of jolly, he's forever trying to get hold of a sniper kit; he's angered a lot of squad leaders because of it; if you're trying to paint jolly as a sniper-hater, you're manning the wrong gun.

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To re-itterate jolly's point; this is a very minor change that could yield quite impressive results. I'm in full favour of adding the radio to slot 3 of the Sniper kit, and possibly renaming the sniper kit to Scout or Recon?