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SchildVogel wrote:Well in a game like America's Army (made by the US Army), no matter which team you are on you see yourself as the US and the other team as the terrorists. Sort of philosophical if you think about it...

Anyways I'd say adults are what's corrupting our youth, TBH .

i allways picked up an ak on that game, so the other team thought i was using an m-16?.. theirfore i killed them with an ak fully auto that they thought was only a burt m-16, if i remember right =P

SchildVogel wrote:Well in a game like America's Army (made by the US Army), no matter which team you are on you see yourself as the US and the other team as the terrorists. Sort of philosophical if you think about it...

Anyways I'd say adults are what's corrupting our youth, TBH .

America's Army came up with a particularly ingenious way of reinforcing their message. Adults have been corrupting our youth since time immemorial, especially when it comes to warfare, a single speech by a president (or a terrorist attack on your own soil) can be much more compelling than any videogame ever will be.

I really don't think its the game she is concerned about, but the current event that is going on right now. I am 100% sure if the people had the technology during WWII to make games of this sort( just saying) this would not be tolerated.
Point is, this conflict is on going, and while it is fun for some to play the game, others have to live it, and some have to deal with consequences of this conflict right now. So it seems that game industry just starting early on making a quick buck, that's all. While I am a combat veteran myself, and could give two shits on what those companies are making money on, I could see a concerned mother of a son who just lost his life in this conflict being hurt about his life and most importantly his death turning into a video game. While a lot of games don't actually point out what kind of factions US is fighting( terrorists... etc) most of the games are trying to go after "realistic" concept these days. By realistic I don't mean PR ideas, but rather trying to actually recreate the event as it happened. This simply cannot be done in any video game, not in the one about battles of WWII in Normandy and not in Ramadi or Fallujah Iraq.

Until the technology is to a point where people have trouble distinguishing between the game and real life. (like the holodeck on startrek) I don't see a point to her argument. Should all books/movies/video/audio recordings etc with content relating to the current conflict be banned? That's just censorship. Humans always like to glorify the "bad guy", just look at the type of movies people make. That doesn't mean they'll lose sight of what is right and wrong in REAL LIFE. People have played driving games since the start of video games, and I bet only a very few have gotten into their real cars and crashed them, thinking they could just hit restart. And I would assume any cases like that would be due to pre-existing mental problems, or drug use.

-snip- (i dunno, i depends who wins the war and writes the next history text book) this is the type of person who thinks their opinion is always the right one. i hope she -snip-

such close mindedness is what's holding back man kind...although i can say the same for video games thats for a whole other reason

User received a temp ban for a pretty disgusting attitude towards others and their opinions - Jig

I think you seriously need to take a step back from your PC and take a break. That's quite a statement to make about a woman grieving over her lost son. No matter how long ago, she has her reason and her own way of coping. Not everyone has to agree with it, and to be frank, her doing this for games repeatedly may become quite annoying, but she's still a human being grieving for her loved one who died serving his country. She's doing what she feels is right to honor his sacrifice...

As has been pointed out, many people have found what they claim to be flaws in her argument. But that doesn't mean she's to be ridiculed and wished to hell. Her experience doesn't cover France, Germany, Vietnam or wherever else, only her son, so that's what she has to focus on. You're talking about a real, grieving mother here... Not the initial stages of grief, but she's still clearly trying to find some peace in it.

Just taking out quoted text - Jig

Ah yes mothers, if only they werent so emotional and more logical, the world would be a better place.

[R-DEV]OkitaMakoto wrote:I think you seriously need to take a step back from your PC and take a break. That's quite a statement to make about a woman grieving over her lost son. No matter how long ago, she has her reason and her own way of coping. Not everyone has to agree with it, and to be frank, her doing this for games repeatedly may become quite annoying, but she's still a human being grieving for her loved one who died serving his country. She's doing what she feels is right to honor his sacrifice...

As has been pointed out, many people have found what they claim to be flaws in her argument. But that doesn't mean she's to be ridiculed and wished to hell. Her experience doesn't cover France, Germany, Vietnam or wherever else, only her son, so that's what she has to focus on. You're talking about a real, grieving mother here... Not the initial stages of grief, but she's still clearly trying to find some peace in it.

i say that not because she doesnt like the concept of a kid playing as a taliban who killed her son, i say this because she believes its acceptable (at the same time that she complains about this) that it's perfectly ok for a kid to play as a Nazi, Vietcong, US, British, Canadian or any other faction who has killed the sons of many others. I hope she burns not because she grieves for her son, i hope she burns because she holds the "they are the enemy" mentality. Because she holds the "only this really matters because it directly affects me" mentality. Seriously I dont see any war vets getting pissed cause some kid is playing as a german, or some teenager is hitting the respawn button where Jimmy got over run by a banzai charge.

Playing as the enemy has never been an issue and it still isn't, this has nothing to do with playing the enemy, it's all about her inability to see that there's no kid out there playing as an opfor screaming for her son's death then killing a blufor player with malicious intent. no we just scream Allahu Akbar jokingly then kill a blufor player and thank the server script for the deviation on their rifles.

yeah some people play the games, and others have to live it...well many others do both. infact, many others help to create these games. these people want us to learn their story, and although they are the enemy many soldiers believe it's also worth while for us to learn the enemy's story. And this is a good thing. if through a game a child can learn why their big brothers are fighting, and why the enemy fights, then there's an understanding for both sides. neither side is then considered evil and thus perhaps peace can come sooner. Whether it be by more sons joining to fight for the cause, or sons realizing there is no cause and stop the fighting. Knowing both sides of the story stops people from killing the enemy with hatred, but instead kill the enemy respectfully as a fellow man.

unrealalex wrote:Ah yes mothers, if only they werent so emotional and more logical, the world would be a better place.

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nevermind... Im not going to post in this tread anymore...

[R-DEV]epoch wrote:I remember back in the early 80's when Frogger came out.

Everyone was up in arms that it de-sensitised drivers to roadkill.

To be fair, there's an absolute wealth of empirical evidence linking video games to conditioning for violent behaviour. Video gamers are, if anything, probably better conditioned to shoot someone than most soldiers out of basic training because they've had much more exposure to the process of engaging without moral interrogation.

Bringerof_D wrote:i hope she burns in hell.

Utterly disgraceful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Bringerof_D received a temp ban for his attitude here, this is the second ban handed out for posts in this thread.

Look what I just found on liveleak
LiveLeak.com - Truck bomb hits Vehicle Checkpoint in Basra
I would not be surprised if real insurgents did play project reality...

thought it was kinda relevant to the whole discussion

lol did u upload that by chance?

anyway back on topic, this arguement is invalid because she doesn't seem to understand that people don't care that much anymore who they're killing, they just wnat to have fn and kill them. Gee mario's fun and all u kill or brown turdy looking things.

Truism wrote:To be fair, there's an absolute wealth of empirical evidence linking video games to conditioning for violent behaviour. Video gamers are, if anything, probably better conditioned to shoot someone than most soldiers out of basic training because they've had much more exposure to the process of engaging without moral interrogation.

And there are just as many that say the opposite. Like this one:



Or this, this, this, this or this. Tbh, any study done on game violence is going to be so highly politically charged I would take anything with a pinch of salt. There was a British counselor that recently claimed “Spending two hours on a game station is equivalent to taking a line of cocaine in the high it produces." His evidence? Well, because he said so, apparently.

As for 'linking' games to violence, have you ever heard of correlation does not imply causation? I'm going to steal an example I particularly like to illustrate that point: in the 17th and 18th centuries we had lots of pirates, but almost no global warming. Now we have lots of global warming and almost no pirates. Therefore, pirates control the rate of global warming.

And finally, I personally do not buy the idea that outside stimuli can have such a profound effect on someone. Its taking the easy way out to say that violent games caused this person to murder someone, when it is far more likely that this person was already pre-disposed to such behavior.

Guys just dont say disrespectiful things about this women she last her son in the Iraq war Probally one of the worst things a mother could lose. So she could have a hard time seeing that Medal Of Honur is just a game and was not meant to hurt anyone mentally or dishonur soliders.

A bit off topic perhaps but I'll just put this here in case there are some of you who still think it was cancelled.

Six Days in Fallujah Finished, Still Coming Out - Xbox 360 News at IGN



Back on topic:
Woman needs to learn that gamers are not complete retards. There's no one sitting infront of a TV/computer screen convinced they're shooting actual people.
It gets more watchable when you realize her opinions have no value. This is a multi-million dollar industry, they're not going to stop production on something people want to play just because a couple of oversensitive moralists can't deal with it.

myles wrote:So she could have a hard time seeing that Medal Of Honur is just a game and was not meant to hurt anyone mentally or dishonur soliders.

You seem to be saying that you think it might dishonour soldiers and could cause mental anguish to people, but its ok because its 'just a game'.

Ok, let me ask you this: if a child were to say something hurtful to this woman regarding her son, what would happen? Would it be no big deal, cause hey, its 'just a kid'? I don't think so, I think that child would at the very least be told why they were in the wrong, and quite probably disciplined.

In what way does it being 'just a game' make it ok for it to treat a sensitive subject in a potentially disrespectful manner? (Note I'm not saying it does, this is more of a hypothetical.)

Can we please, please stop using the 'Its just a game' argument? Not only does it not work at the most basic level of the argument, every time someone says it they are trivialising their own hobby.

It's not the same though. It's more like if a child said something to her about some random canadian. This game has nothing to do with her son, it is a fictional, completely unrelated subject.
The only connection between the game and her son, is the connection SHE is creating by associating the two.

The game isn't the origin of her sense of anguish, she caused that herself.