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{E-Z}Poli wrote:Mumble is dead, deal with it: Its a great idea and has allready been developed in-game with ARMA 2 for example.. so I see no need for 3rd party nonsense .. Mumble is dead, long live mumble.

You, sir.. Are failing?

Lzryde wrote:Once Mumble can automatically move player's channels so "Team 1", "Team 2" channels are accurate, it might be worth using. But using it solely for positional audio? I'd rather just use in-game VOIP + chat and my TS3.

And you, sir.. Are lazy ^^

Lzryde wrote:Once Mumble can automatically move player's channels so "Team 1", "Team 2" channels are accurate, it might be worth using. But using it solely for positional audio? I'd rather just use in-game VOIP + chat and my TS3.

So, go write a plugin for TS3 that gives it positional audio via BF2. Then you'll have an argument that someone can follow.

Lzryde wrote:Once Mumble can automatically move player's channels so "Team 1", "Team 2" channels are accurate, it might be worth using. But using it solely for positional audio? I'd rather just use in-game VOIP + chat and my TS3.

Why, when no one else will be on the TS except friends and/or clan mates?

There's people that only want that, gazz, so be it.

It's just ridiculous when those people come here talking trash about mumble, when they don't really want to use it in the first place, to work with multiple squads.

If you don't want to do that, then just don't do it, but it's just sad.

Herbiie wrote:Lol TS3s Positional Audio is pants compared to Mumble, incredibly difficult to use, when mumble is just configure>audio wizard done for life.

Poli how is mumble dead? PR Mumble Server has hundreds of people in it...

Mumble as a concept isnt dead, "mumble" as a product is, if not now then soon, game dev's do not live in bubbles.

{E-Z}Poli wrote:Mumble as a concept isnt dead, "mumble" as a product is, if not now then soon, game dev's do not live in bubbles.

What?

It's open-source and is still being developed by it's original creators. It's not dead, and won't die soon. The devs can continue developing it themselves. You're the one who needs to stop living in your bubble, and step out into the world of mumble.

@db Agreed...

Lzryde wrote:Once Mumble can automatically move player's channels so "Team 1", "Team 2" channels are accurate, it might be worth using. But using it solely for positional audio? I'd rather just use in-game VOIP + chat and my TS3.

In mumble it is possible to radio to everybody else in the squadleader channel, just like in teamspeak.
We need some kind of standard so that everybody can communicate with everybody else. I think going with the program the devs bundle with the game is the way to go, even if you prefer something else, else you have players who use TS players who use Vent players who use yet something else. Why are you willing to go through the trouble of configuring TS3 and figuring out the correct channel for your team on TS3 it, but are not willing to do it for mumble?

And finally are we having an objective rational discussion about the advantages disadvantages of either program, or is it an emotional "out of principle" issue to you, so that you dont take any objective points into consideration? You have to set up teamspeak, you have to bind keys for teamspeak, you have to figure out the correct channel for teamspeak and on top of it, you need to search the Clanforums in order to get access to the correct server to begin with with teamspeak.

[R-DEV]dbzao wrote:There's people that only want that, gazz, so be it.

It's just ridiculous when those people come here talking trash about mumble, when they don't really want to use it in the first place, to work with multiple squads.

If you don't want to do that, then just don't do it, but it's just sad.

I'm not talking trash about Mumble. I am saying that Teamspeak 3 is capable of doing anything Mumble can. There's no real argument about it.

TS3 is prettier?

{E-Z}Poli wrote:Mumble is dead, deal with it: Its a great idea and has allready been developed in-game with ARMA 2 for example.. so I see no need for 3rd party nonsense .. Mumble is dead, long live mumble.

Im afraid BF2 VoIP doesn't offer positional audio, so the market for positional audio software, like mumble, is well and truly open for business.

Lzryde wrote:No they don't. They could reverse engineer Mumble's plugins, which would be "easy as shit". But there might be some licensing issues in that case. As for the "Squad Leader Radio", Teamspeak has a great whisper system that could easily duplicate PR Mumble's "Squad Leader Radio".

The second I read the verb 'reverse engineer', and 'licensing issues', that argument seemed to lose all its validity in that it is, quite literally, asking too much in terms of allocation of effort. If its so fantastically obvious and "easy as shit", I look forward to seeing the results you will produce from doing it yourself!

Lzryde wrote:I'm not talking trash about Mumble. I am saying that Teamspeak 3 is capable of doing anything Mumble can. There's no real argument about it.

There is a possibility that is true, but it is important that we remind ourselves that it is in the context of PR. Like DB said, that considering the flexibility of mumble. In the context of PR (this is the PR:BF2 General Discussion forum after all), TS3 can't be used to do all the things that Mumble can, where as DB mentioned Mumble will be upgraded to bare the aspects of TS3 not yet available to Mumble.



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[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude wrote:TS3 can't be used to do all the things that Mumble can, where as DB mentioned Mumble will be upgraded to bare the aspects of TS3 not yet available to Mumble.

From what I've read in these Mumble threads, the only thing the PR Mumble source edits do is fill in the default server info/settings.

Big deal.

Lzryde wrote:From what I've read in these Mumble threads, the only thing the PR Mumble source edits do is fill in the default server info/settings.

Big deal.

Hold on a second, I cant help but feel your overlooking the fact that mumble works to a desired level, on the basis that its simple? I was under the impression that desirable traits were efficiency and usability. Naive little me!
Can you not admire something for its simplicity when it works?


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[R-MOD]Mongolian_dude wrote:Hold on a second, I cant help but feel your overlooking the fact that mumble works to a desired level, on the basis that its simple? I was under the impression that desirable traits were efficiency and usability. Naive little me!
Can you not admire something for its simplicity when it works?


...mongol...

Mongol I might be wrong but I get the impression that he is not open to rational arguments and is just looking to "win" the conversation, without aknowledging any rational points you make. His problems are more emotional than logical, I guess with the devs bundling mumble and endorsing it, he feels like there is a dev conspiracy going on trying to force him into using mumble. Some people so far complained about things that are true for all other voip programs they use and seem to like, like having to set it up, having to log in, having to find the correct channel, the spamming.

If he dislikes mumble on an emotive emotional level any rational argument you make is wasted, because he does not want to hear them and it will only lead to a mudfight.

If somebody prefer using a different program he should bring it up with the devs, so that all players are on the same program.

Guys, Stop feeding the troll.. Seriously.

Positional audio and lesser 'cpu-hogging' are the only reasons I opt for Mumble.

I see people going ''Brand vs Brand'' like Coke-vs-Pepsi in this thread, and that's just being dumb both as a consumer AND as an individual. Come on.. Guys, really?

Celestial1 wrote:What?

It's open-source and is still being developed by it's original creators. It's not dead, and won't die soon. The devs can continue developing it themselves. You're the one who needs to stop living in your bubble, and step out into the world of mumble.

@db Agreed...

Thats the 3rd personel remark aimed at me for posting here.... i wont anymore

I still think mumble is great. if more people knew about it, vent and TS would be obsolete. spread the word kids.

Sounds like a typical example of being afraid of change. TS3 and Vent were the norm for quite a while then Mumble came along and blew them out of the water.

Cassius wrote:Mongol I might be wrong but I get the impression that he is not open to rational arguments and is just looking to "win" the conversation, without aknowledging any rational points you make. His problems are more emotional than logical, I guess with the devs bundling mumble and endorsing it, he feels like there is a dev conspiracy going on trying to force him into using mumble.

Nice try doctor, but no.

I'm open to change. I USE Mumble. I'm just saying Teamspeak 3 can do the same thing Mumble can. You don't see people using Mumble nearly as much as Teamspeak 3. Teamspeak 3 dominates the VOIP market because it is the best. Everyone I know hated Teamspeak (myself included). At least until the day TS3 was released. Maybe you're the one who isn't open to change.

You cannot sit here and tell me that Teamspeak 3 is inferior to Mumble, if so, give me a reason other than "it's open source".

It's kind of like comparing PHPBB to vBulletin. One is open source, and one is better.

I don't remind anybody calling TS3 inferior as a derogatory term, but Mumble does all that TS3 does + it's open source, we can actually change it to our needs, we can lock settings so some users can't gain advantage over others, we can bundle all that the player needs in one package that works pretty much out of the box, we started using it before TS3 came around with positional audio support, we have dedicated team members working on it, we have plans for much better use of Mumble tailored to our games.

I don't mind TS3, I use it as well, I think it works just fine. I'm not sure what's the state of the BF2 plugin and if it works well for PR, but wouldn't mind trying it, as I tried ACRE as well and said it worked fine (although it was a little weird to set up).

So that's when this whole discussion loses focus, and becomes really what people prefer, because technically, yes, they can do pretty much the same, but the steps to get there are different and we think we can get a better end result for our users with the least overhead possible.

You cannot sit here and tell me that Teamspeak 3 is inferior to Mumble

Can too.

Teamspeak 3 is inferior to Mumble for our purpose of having a supplemental VOIP program due to the fact that it does not have a readily available plug-in for positional audio coordinates supplied by BF2.


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TS3 isn't bad, and no one's saying that. But for our purposes, Mumble's positional audio and it's plug-in to utilize coordinates of players from BF2 is more appropriate.

Lzryde wrote:It's kind of like comparing PHPBB to vBulletin. One is open source, and one is better.

The benefit of PHPBB would be that you can take that base and improve on it.
Open source a bad application does not make.

What's the point of locking settings? Couldn't one just download/edit/compile Mumble's source and connect to the PR server without those restrictions? More of a deterrent I'd think.

Having the settings hardcoded does make it simpler to connect. But I don't see how hard it can be to connect to a server and edit some plugin settings. If people really care enough about the positional audio experience, they would be willing do this.