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*UNSTF Drummond wrote:I gave no facts so why would I add a source?

Because you're claiming that the BA does not issue ACOG in standard, widespread service.

ZephyrDark wrote:Eddie, those links are broken it appears. I've clicked on all of them and theres no image, just a blank white screen.

That's strange, since they still work for me. I will see if there is a "share URL" for them, then.

[Edit]Nope, there isn't. Damn, you, DefenceImageDatabase!!!! :shakes fist:

BBC News - Gunsights' biblical references concern US and UK forces

Britain's Ministry of Defence has just ordered 480 Acog sights for use on its new Sharpshooter rifles - to be used by troops in Afghanistan. Other versions of the Acog sight are "widely in service", the ministry says.

Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Check users, ignore any refs to x6 ACOG; that's our Sharpshooter sight for the L129A1s. Not the x4 on our L85A2s. But how would I know this? Crazy stuff, I must be lying.

Unrelated question gaz , when looking for pictures of people with ACOGS i found this:

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Drummond, heres a video from 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86YdgoBG ... re=related

At the end it shows all the sections, note all soldiers have ACOGs. I know its not official but you get the idea

gazzthompson wrote:Unrelated question gaz , when looking for pictures of people with ACOGS i found this:

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royal irish closest, C8 ?

No comment.

On another note without me having to make a seperate thread or something, is the L85 with Iron sights used in real life infantry units like the scope its portrayed in PR? Or is that merely a gameplay idea reason being with no alternative close quarter optics used by British forces like a aimpoint for instance so irons is the next closest realistic thing.

Whats the actual reasoning behind the many iron sights on kits? Im assuming this will go down when mosquills alternative sight code comes out so you can use the backup sights on weapons and such.

Other factions this seems to be a similar pattern so maybe im asking for both Brits and the general concept for the amount of Irons and whatnot, thanks.

On another note without me having to make a seperate thread or something, is the L85 with Iron sights used in real life infantry units like the scope its portrayed in PR? Or is that merely a gameplay idea reason being with no alternative close quarter optics used by British forces like a aimpoint for instance so irons is the next closest realistic thing.

the only ironsight L85s I've seen were on teh ATC diaries - a RAF youtube series

I cant find the episode that made it easy to see, but you can just about see it on this one



ingame the alternative to irons is using teh BUIS (back up ironsight) using the code from the talented and handsome mosquill & co but that has not yet been implemented

L85s with irons are occasionally used out on the front line but not that often due to a scope being standard issue to most front-line troops. Its mainly a gameplay reason why many kits ingame have iron sights as for most other factions like the Chinese, scopes are not such standard issue.

Also pretty much all the L85s we saw in the Bovington Camp Armoury where fitted with Iron Sights

Gaz, I'll try and dig out the official press release for the ACOG UOR on Monday if it'll help prove the point. However, I do know of at least one role that's been out in the last year with an issued SUSAT - albeit on an L22. I don't think the UOR covered the carbines as they're not associated with front line roles. Not in a primary weapon sense anyway. Tank crews usually get something bigger as a first choice!

If it weren't for Gaz and his drunken kung fu grip on reliable information we'd be seeing this ingame

gazzthompson wrote:Unrelated question gaz , when looking for pictures of people with ACOGS i found this:

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He must be one of Them!

Doesn't the new green beret advert show L85s with ACOGs?
I remember seeing the new issue camo and RIS foregrips with Gripod, almost certain the ACOGs would be shown as well

A friend of a friend returned from Afghanistan a few months back and I remember looking through his photos and only seeing ACOGs. Infact I swear I saw a minimi with one, the person in question was actually carrying one round half the time.

Interestingly, the only non ACOG L85s I saw in the photos were carried by female soldiers in the FOB. All of these had SUSATs still, although I think they still had this RIS and gripods.

Combat and Combat support units tend to be issued with ACOG where available. Combat service support units are still using SUSAT, normally their on iron sights but all deployed personnel must now have scoped weapons. SUSAT will not be phased out quite so soon, combat units will pass them to CSS units once new sights have been received, it just takes a little time.

* *Thank you gazzthompson for a more mature reply and thank you eddie for the links though they are broken.

[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:Drum, Gaz has earned his respect online as part of the PR team, and IRL serving his country. Sort yourself out, you are in the DEV's house, and teh DEVs vet military advisors.

He has not earned my respect by insulting me after I asked a valid question, I was looking for official sources to read through, I asked because I know there are military advisors here that might be able to hook me up with what I was looking for, instead I am greeted with hostility and insults because I asked for something more than what some guy says on a gaming mod forum (respected by you or not I don't know the guy).

All I have found online is that the BA is in talks about buying ACOG's NOT that they are standard issue to all Infantry within the British Army, I have not disputed the use of ACOG's in the middle east but have seen no official word on it as standard issue kit let alone if the BA is issuing ACOG's as standard to its forces around the rest of the world, so instead of helping me with Info you flame me then still expect respect

*UNSTF Drummond wrote:I have not disputed the use of ACOG's in the middle east but have seen no official word on it as standard issue kit let alone if the BA is issuing ACOG's as standard to its forces around the rest of the world

It isn't standard issue, it's an Urgent Operational Requirement - the operation in question being HERRICK, the British contribution to ISAF in Afghanistan. Those sights will only go to Afghanistan unless another UOR is raised for another theatre - but since HERRICK is the main/only focus, we don't spend money anywhere else.

When the FIST STA programme I mentioned earlier is finally delivered (~12-18 months), those sight systems (Elcan w/ CQB) will become standard issue across the Armed Forces and, in theory, replace the ACOGs. Unfortunately we then get into the issue of bodging the old kit which we actually still want, but technically don't support, like the L129A1 DMR (which I believe is a UOR, and thus not technically standard issue equipment). People will want to keep them, because they're useful, so we'll fiddle it into the core somehow.

At that point it becomes a whole mess of bureaucracy and I start to get a headache. Welcome to government procurement and working with the Army.

Drummond, if a DEV makes a statement like that, you can rest assured that it will have been discussed internally, with MA input. And since Gaz is currently serving, rest assured that he is reliable. Unlike you, we know for a fact who he is and what he does, and that he is in a position where he can speak on this matter with authority.


British kit IG is based on the equipment used by British troops in combat right now - aka, those in Astan.

I would advice you to watch your tone in the future - calling a dev "a complete ****" can quickly lead to a vacation.


Locking the thread as the question has been soundly answered.