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Posted: **2011-06-12 06:36**

Bringerof_D wrote:If the devs want to give this back to the militia, i'd be willing to make the model and textures for the cheap scope and mount. I'd just need the original AK model and textures. It'll be good practice for me.

This version got rail for optics,but not wooden.

In soviet army we got 4 different versions of AK:
AK-74 - standard version,no rail.
AKS-74 - Same but got folding stock(As on photo)
AK-74N - standard version,but got rail,limited made.
AKS-74N -......

All was changed by AK-74M,who all good sides of this version(Folding stock and rail).Not sure thats he can found optical sights.

All scopes for hunting pretty similar thats SVD scope or LeeEnfild .No4 sniper score + need receiver for AK rail.

P.S In all Chechen wars - no one doesn't uses optics.

Posted: **2011-06-12 17:13**

Samogon, if i'm reading correctly:

"all hunting scopes are similar, and they would need to find an AK upper receiver with rails.

PS. in the chechen wars, there was no one who didnt have a scope" <So here i'm not sure whether you are supporting the suggestion or against it.

well to point out the obvious - As we all know even the real AK attachment rails are simply bolted to the lower reciever. The piece hooks around from where itis bolted on the bottom or side up over the top of the rifle, as you can see here:

there are some mounts which work the same way as this one which are mounted towards the rear of the rifle as the RUS forces in game use now. It is very much possible for a rebel with a dremel tool and some industrial know how to build his own.

As for mounting the scopes, it's very easy, one could if they did not have rails, take the mounting rings off of the scope and A) weld them to the mount, or B) take the rings off of a bicycle bell and use those, they work in the same fashion. when done simply put the scope back on. to the rings.

heck an even easier way would be for someone to cut grooves onto the top of the AK receiver as a dovetail mount. most hunting scopes use dovetails anyways.

Posted: **2011-06-12 18:16**

Bringerof_D wrote:Samogon, if i'm reading correctly:

"all hunting scopes are similar, and they would need to find an AK upper receiver with rails.

PS. in the chechen wars, there was no one who didnt have a scope" <So here i'm not sure whether you are supporting the suggestion or against it.
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Well.I am against the scopes.If someone means thats it's more regular army,thats terroristic cell - doesn't means that they should get good equipment as BLUFOR.May be 1 or 2 in platoon got thats scope(removed from his VERP(Hunting rifle,based on AKM),if this man - former hunter,but not majority).If the night warfare starts - militia should be have night scopes and NV Googles too?

Posted: **2011-06-12 19:38**

Don't forget the Militia has enough wherewithal to use UAVs and other more advanced tech. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to give the Militia a single Rifleman kit with a scope. It also doesn't have to be an AK-74 ethier. Instead it could be anything from a G3 to a FN FAL. The addition of a scope to only the secondary Rifleman kit would show that while they do have some scopes, those that they do have are rare and only in one kit (giving one to the Officer kit would be fine too I guess).

Posted: **2011-06-13 00:01**

Bob of Mage wrote:Don't forget the Militia has enough wherewithal to use UAVs and other more advanced tech. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to give the Militia a single Rifleman kit with a scope. It also doesn't have to be an AK-74 ethier. Instead it could be anything from a G3 to a FN FAL. The addition of a scope to only the secondary Rifleman kit would show that while they do have some scopes, those that they do have are rare and only in one kit (giving one to the Officer kit would be fine too I guess).

wrong
the Scope (scoped akm 74 from old patch)wouldn?t overpower the Miltia and do you know why?
-Militia plays AAS vs RUS/GB, that means all oppostion of the militia uses Scopes/Thermal/better Airstrike/TOW/Guided HATs, advanced Mortarfire. i dont see any reason wich overpowes the militia.
-Militia needs Scope, id play this week 70% Militia games and I realize the missing Scope for me (as suadleader) and my mates.
Samogon, it is possible that the militia are in your opinion terrorists, but remember that the militia takes over the role of an conventionel army who fights against conventionel army.

and dont take it so seriously, in reality are the enemies of the militia not the British!!!
British in Russia would lead to a new world war.
so dont take it so seriously with this thing.
we are talking about balance in AAS not about detailed realitys.

Here some evidence why the militia army is a conventional:
- You Need 1 crate for build a Fob and a secound crate for advance the Fob (Anti tank, HMG, Wire etc.). Hideouts looking more for unconventionel.
- Got Tanks and APC?s wich needs crewman kits.
- AAS + Tickets
- availabilitiy KITS (Specialist, AP, AT, HAT, MM, Sniper, AA, GL etc.

And this is why i love Militia, and I would more love when they got the AKM 74 Scope back for SL and for Standart Rifleman ! ! !

Posted: **2011-06-13 00:17**

Iron sights own. leave it as it is.

Posted: **2011-06-13 00:51**

KeksTerror wrote:Mhmm :

I can not recognize them. Perhaps you may explain your opinion a bit more detailed.

Because there are few pre-modernized versions of the Ak 74 with the rail for attaching scopes.

I always thought it was rather out of place for them to have scoped assault rifles: there are many modern armies with substantial state provided budgets, which rarely issue enhancing optics for standard infantrymen. Why would, whatever the militia represent, have them in such large number? In fact, given that it's a bit of stretch for the Russians to have scoped assault rifles for standard riflemen, it would be very unrealistic for some downtrodden militia to wield them in great numbers. So, no, I don't believe that they should have scopes as standard: the squad leader might have a scoped G3, for example. But since it already has the fn fal, I don't think that's going to happen (scopes for FN FAL are pretty rare)

Posted: **2011-06-13 04:06**

samogon100500 wrote:Well.I am against the scopes.If someone means thats it's more regular army,thats terroristic cell - doesn't means that they should get good equipment as BLUFOR.May be 1 or 2 in platoon got thats scope(removed from his VERP(Hunting rifle,based on AKM),if this man - former hunter,but not majority).If the night warfare starts - militia should be have night scopes and NV Googles too?

but see thats the thing, every farmer, civilian hell 8 year old kid can go into a store with 50 bucks or so and buy a decent shooting scope. i belive scopes should at the very least be available. I'm sure you've read my post, there will only be 10/12 on the field at any given time out of 32 players, no one else save for marksman and snipers get scope.

NVGs average around 200-400 for a low grade civi pair, mostly for camping, and the batteries themselves are usually not cheap. they dont run on AAs. Military grade NVGs are hard to find at Military surplus store and if you can average 2-3000 dollars. So no Militia types should not get NVGs for night maps. (maybe "starlight" type systems but no modern NVGs, or if they do they should be a weapon. meaning you have to put down your rifle, as some NVGs are more like massive monoculars you have to hold up.)

In conclusion, i've detailed restrictions and limitations to the scopes in my post, you are free to suggest tighter number restrictions but i feel it is fair to at least give them a few. I would also venture to say that it should only be that 10/12 riflemen should get them, even an officer shouldn't have them.

as for the people here who keep saying "Irons PWN, leave it as it is" that's a matter of opinion and IRL it is as well, some people might suck *** with irons and decide to jerry rig their own scope mount. of course irons barely work at all above 100m for anyone who may be playing on lower settings. heck if this were just for realism's sake i'd include red dots to the list but lets face it that would kill the feel of the militia, while on the other hand a hunting scope in an SKS or AK won't. Yeah red dots are pretty easy to come by too, they can for go for between 20-50 dollars depending on model at almost any store that might sell camping/outdoor equipment.

@hanadul44: Actually if you want to get into this, i'm a militiaman. Canadian Forces Army Reserves = Militia, by definition a militia are men who are trained as soldiers and fight as soldiers when need be, but during peace time continue their civilian duties and careers. They partake in regular training to keep skills sharp and are usually equipped just the same as the regular full time soldiers.

@Bellator: A militia doesn't need the state's budget to buy equipment. Even if we're talking about rebels and not really a reserve military, and ESPECIALLY in that case more people would have scopes. For a man who fights without formal standardization of kit he would go out and acquire anything he needs to fight effectively on his own money. and as i've made it clear before, a scope is not hard to find and go for fairly low prices. They might not be as effective nor as stable as military spec scopes, and mounts, but they will help the overall performance of the shooter. I assure you they will have them.

Posted: **2011-06-13 07:52**

hanadul44 wrote:wrong
the Scope (scoped akm 74 from old patch)wouldn?t overpower the Miltia and do you know why?
/QUOTE]

Well,I remember this time(When they called -Chechen Rebels)
I hear many questions such as - "where this guys found a scopes?" or "What a hell scopes doing on Chechens faction,they don't have it not in First(They was vehicles such as TANKS(T64 - T72),IFV and APCs),not in Second war.

Bringerof_D;1609923 wrote:NVGs average around 200-400 for a low grade civi pair, mostly for camping, and the batteries themselves are usually not cheap. they dont run on AAs. Military grade NVGs are hard to find at Military surplus store and if you can average 2-3000 dollars. So no Militia types should not get NVGs for night maps. (maybe "starlight" type systems but no modern NVGs, or if they do they should be a weapon. meaning you have to put down your rifle, as some NVGs are more like massive monoculars you have to hold up.)
Not sure thats someone will trade with occupied by terrorists area - they can rob a hunting store(But I don't sure,thats he found it on countryside),but maximum what they can - found scopes for 20-30 guns,this is not so much if you got ~200-300 mans or more.Civilian NV monoculars very rare in Russia too.I live in very big town - but there is no place to buy good NV monocular,scopes -yes,but very small assortment,thats in Moscow for example.

Posted: **2011-06-13 09:21**

samogon100500 wrote:
hanadul44;1609900 wrote:wrong
the Scope (scoped akm 74 from old patch)wouldn?t overpower the Miltia and do you know why?
/QUOTE]

Well,I remember this time(When they called -Chechen Rebels)
I hear many questions such as - "where this guys found a scopes?" or "What a hell scopes doing on Chechens faction,they don't have it not in First(They was vehicles such as TANKS(T64 - T72),IFV and APCs),not in Second war.

Not sure thats someone will trade with occupied by terrorists area - they can rob a hunting store(But I don't sure,thats he found it on countryside),but maximum what they can - found scopes for 20-30 guns,this is not so much if you got ~200-300 mans or more.Civilian NV monoculars very rare in Russia too.I live in very big town - but there is no place to buy good NV monocular,scopes -yes,but very small assortment,thats in Moscow for example.
As proven by Afghanistan trade still exists whether legal or not with countries harbouring terrorists. Also terrorist is a very one sided term. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are terrorists, however the "militia" faction is not. there is a major difference between an unrecognized military force and a group of fighters blowing up civilians. of course the term tends to be used if said faction is working against "you" or your particular perspective of things. But in the case of say the Chechen rebels or the IRA there are some not part of either party in the conflict who would consider them freedom fighters. Whereas Taliban and the like are pretty much recognized by all as terrorists outside of their own rings.

back on topic. If there exists an outdoor equipment store in your country, there will be hunting scopes available. If your country has a complete ban on anything firearm related, there will always be back door dealings and black market trade. Why do you think we need border patrols?

if there's zero trade at the border they can build it, google Shotgun Guru. if i recall that was the nickname of the guy who hand mills AA12s and other combat shotguns in Afghanistan with scrap metal. there's an entire village where people make by hand exact replicas of any weapon they are shown. If the Taliban were just using old captured soviet equipment they'd have run out years ago and all our boys would be home.

Posted: **2011-06-13 10:54**

Bringerof_D wrote:if there's zero trade at the border they can build it, google Shotgun Guru. if i recall that was the nickname of the guy who hand mills AA12s and other combat shotguns in Afghanistan with scrap metal. there's an entire village where people make by hand exact replicas of any weapon they are shown. If the Taliban were just using old captured soviet equipment they'd have run out years ago and all our boys would be home.

Well Chechen militia capture all vehicles and weapon from old soviet storages,based in this.IRA doesn't have vehicles or other - it's something like insurgents.
They got no supplies thats other regular armies,all weapon/vehicles/ammo captured.
Real life fact - to make more MG they make tis own MG from vehicle PKT like this:

Sometimes - hes own custom made SMG.
If they can't make needed quantity of weapon - where they found needed quantity of scopes.Main problem for them - ammo.1 Scope = ~1000 round.Bad quality scope(~1.5) - 300 round.Not sure that so good idea to buy to much scopes.

Posted: **2011-06-13 11:02**

perhaps the ak74 scope should go on the specialist with the PPSH being the right click option

Posted: **2011-06-13 11:16**

Why should the specialist get it? No conventional factions have their Specialist's rifles scoped so the Militia's shouldn't too.

If the scoped AK should return, give it to the Rifleman as an alternative to the AK-47. Or failing that, give the FAL to the Rifleman and give the Officer the scoped AK-74.

Posted: **2011-06-13 11:17**

@Bellator: A militia doesn't need the state's budget to buy equipment. Even if we're talking about rebels and not really a reserve military, and ESPECIALLY in that case more people would have scopes. For a man who fights without formal standardization of kit he would go out and acquire anything he needs to fight effectively on his own money. and as i've made it clear before, a scope is not hard to find and go for fairly low prices. They might not be as effective nor as stable as military spec scopes, and mounts, but they will help the overall performance of the shooter. I assure you they will have them.

You could probably hire a gunman in the third world with the same amount of money that you'd spend on a scope (let's say 200 dollars). And it isn't just a question of affordability, but also availability: 1P29s don't exactly grow on trees. So, no, I don't see any reason why scopes should be widely wielded by militia, especially by militia that seems to operate strictly in woodland and urban terrains where its utility is further reduced. Also, If you look at the media pictures of various third world militias, they rarely wield scoped assault rifles in any significant scale.

Posted: **2011-06-13 11:18**

[R-DEV]Rudd wrote:perhaps the ak74 scope should go on the specialist with the PPSH being the right click option

Much better idea thats "Scopes for everyone".I will suggest to make AK-74 to remove FAL from squad leader and put him AK74.Give FAL for altLAT,altAP and altEngineer.

Posted: **2011-06-13 11:39**

samogon100500 wrote:Much better idea thats "Scopes for everyone".I will suggest to make AK-74 to remove FAL from squad leader and put him AK74.Give FAL for altLAT,altAP and altEngineer.

I agree with this idea

Posted: **2011-06-13 11:44**

dtacs wrote:Why should the specialist get it? No conventional factions have their Specialist's rifles scoped so the Militia's shouldn't too.

If the scoped AK should return, give it to the Rifleman as an alternative to the AK-47. Or failing that, give the FAL to the Rifleman and give the Officer the scoped AK-74.

the point was to keep it as a smaller portion of the militia arsenal, so officer and specialist having them would be fine in my book.

other nations don't get scoped specialists, but they get scoped options on most of their other weapons so... blah.

Posted: **2011-06-13 12:53**

Why scope to leader? it's supposed to lead the squad not the become the main source of long range firepower.

Posted: **2011-06-13 13:01**

narref wrote:Why scope to leader? it's supposed to lead the squad not the become the main source of long range firepower.

So? Don't squad leaders fire on the enemy when in contact? The scope would aid in that. If you can't handle it for some reason just request the FAL and get on with it. I agree with replacing the SL AKS-74u with scoped AK-74 and giving the specialist one too, making the PPsH the alternate kit.

Posted: **2011-06-13 13:02**

narref raises a good point, honestly just give it to the rifleman, or don't give it to them at all, might not be necessary now they will be getting some effective vehicles that will fufill the Militia's ranged combat needs.

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