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Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-03 19:49
by supahpingi
Brummy wrote:I'm really looking for a leader, not just a modeller, mapper, etc. Someone who is managing all this in a proper way.
Thats where im failign at,but ill help modeling some stuff(ill try) once you find ur leader

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-04 23:14
by torenico
Brummy wrote:I'm really looking for a leader, not just a modeller, mapper, etc. Someone who is managing all this in a proper way.

Brummy is ANGRY!!


It would be cool, i mean, finally we got a Modern African War.

I can i ask, the Congo force will engage combat whit? US? UK? Bundeswehr?

Re: The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo

Posted: 2008-11-05 06:17
by nessuno
FastWinston wrote:Nope, thats a milled reciever, plastic AK74/AKM furntitured, AKM muzzled 7.62 AK with a bakelite mag. Can't say anything about the gastube tho :)
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AK-74M

Since 1991 a modernized AK-74 is in Russian service. It is made of black plastics and uses improved black magazines. Scope mounts are attached to the weapon and it has a foldable stock.

Assault Rifles - AK-74

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-05 06:28
by nessuno
right on Africa

why not recreate the Battle of Mogadishu by 93?

Battle of Mogadishu (1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Re: The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo

Posted: 2008-11-05 07:08
by FastWinston
nessuno wrote:Image

AK-74M

Since 1991 a modernized AK-74 is in Russian service. It is made of black plastics and uses improved black magazines. Scope mounts are attached to the weapon and it has a foldable stock.

Assault Rifles - AK-74
Yes, the furniture MAY be from an AK-74M, but there is no way to tell from that picture (besides there is no problem producing polymer/black furniture, after market-wise). Other then that, there is nothing on the gun that says AK-74(M) to me, the receiver and magazine curviture are the easiest to recognise (also the receiver cover, but that's easy enough to change). But enough with the gun-bickering :-D

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-05 09:39
by Glimmerman
nessuno wrote:right on Africa

why not recreate the Battle of Mogadishu by 93?

Battle of Mogadishu (1993 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
The battle of Mogadishu took place in Somalia, thats in the horn of Afrika, Congo is on the other side in West Afrika, Somalia doesnt have jungles, its a total diffrent scenery.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-05 15:28
by nessuno
[R-CON]Glimmerman wrote:The battle of Mogadishu took place in Somalia, thats in the horn of Afrika, Congo is on the other side in West Afrika, Somalia doesnt have jungles, its a total diffrent scenery.
yes, I know

but since it made the skin for Somalis, why not make a reconstruction of the market of Mogadishu, on the other hand I think that Ramiel is a copy of film Black Howk Down, is already ready enough reproduction of the map and make rebels blacks

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-05 15:41
by Glimmerman
Yes thats correct, Ramiel is Mogadishu.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-05 17:12
by A_Grounded_Pilot
In light of recent events unfolding in the DRC, I'd like to propose an amendment to your proposal:

I'm not sure if it matters, as this faction is so far along, but you might consider changing the name to the National Congress for People's Defense (CNDP). The CNDP is the rebel group that is currently fighting along the eastern border of the DRC and the western border of Rwanda. It has the same equipment as the military of the DRC, so that doesn't have to change. Some say that the CNDP is aided by the Rwandan government, so we could research Rwandan equipment and include that too, but I've got a feeling it is much the same. There have been so many poorly funded conflicts in the past fifteen years in this region that it is highly likely both the DRC and Rwanda have got a haphazard mix of each others weapons, which were probably mostly the same to begin with anyways. The CNDP is a highly structured and disciplined fighting force, unlike the ragtag drug-hazed rebels that come to mind so readily when we think of African skirmishes. In fact, many say that the CNDP is a more "regular" force than the DRC's own military. They even have their own flag, which is a slight variation on the flag of Zaire, and actually a bit similar in concept to PR's militia flag.

CNDP flag, from their website:

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The current conflict is taking place in North Kivu, a province that stretches along the mountainous DRC/Rwanda border. Over the past few days, the CNDP (rebel group) has advanced south toward Goma, North Kivu's capital city. You can see Goma along the Rwandan border here, near the right edge of the map. They are currently to the north in the rural town of Rutshuru (red arrow), and have stopped their advance on Goma (blue arrow). In between Rutshuru and Goma lies approximately 40-60km of the Virunga National Park (pictured below).

Town of Rutshuru (currently occupied by CNDP, this is the only pic I could find that's not of a refugee camp):

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City of Goma, capital of North Kivu province (threatened by CNDP, shielded by UN):

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Virunga National Park (between Rutshuru and Goma):

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Virunga's active volcanoes (5000m+) and dense jungle -

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The UN is there attempting to shield Goma from CNDP advances. The geography in this area is quite unique; there is the possibility of clashes in the high volcanic mountains, savannas, rural towns, cities, and dense jungles. According to wikipedia, Major troop contributors are Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Nepal, South Africa and Uruguay. Of the 16,000 troops there, approximately 10,000 are Indian and Pakistani. While I understand that the MEC is a Middle Eastern coalition, and not India or Pakistan, I think they best represent the majority of the present UN force. Of course, reports are that Great Britain may deploy troops there as well, so that is also an excellent option, and would be much easier for PR to employ. I think changing this from The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo to the National Congress for People's Defense (CNDP) will make this faction a very real addition to Project Reality.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-11 04:20
by A_Grounded_Pilot
Anybody seen Brummy? Sent him a PM about a week ago.

Oh, and bump.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-11 07:42
by Pride
Brummy is in iraq, and will be for quite a while.


Therefore, he is unable to continue with this. So someone else needs to take over.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-12 17:55
by A_Grounded_Pilot
Another round of PMs sent, thank you Pride.

In poking around I found this 1996 inventory of DR Congo's military equipment. Take note of the light arms section - the official arsenal was widely varied, and probably has become even more diverse over the past decade. This could be a great opportunity to get a real mixed bag of weapons into a PR faction.

http://www.dapss.com/MRA/MRAdata/MRAZairex.htm

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 04:45
by jaspercat444
They use a lot of weapons.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 05:11
by DeltaFart
Hey maybe for the BTR90 we could replace ingame with BTR50?

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 07:47
by A_Grounded_Pilot
Found another site, listing vehicles primarily:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/democrat ... le_uk.html

Now I understand all these lists are a bit different, but as Wiki says,
Attempting to list the equipment available to the DRC's land forces is difficult; most figures are unreliable estimates based on known items delivered in the past.
Anyways, if you look at the above link it sems as if the most numerous fighting vehicles are T-62s, BMP-1s, and AML-60/90s. The AMLs sort of play the same role as BDRMs, but they're just a bit smaller, quicker, and lighter:

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It's similar to the EE-9 as well, but I get the feeling that there are a lot more of these out there than EE-9s. Z-Trooper, we might be better off abandoning the Cascavel if you haven't put too much work into it.

For the MBT, we could reskin the militia T-62. That would be easy. We could talk to PoE about their BMP-1:

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We only have to model the AML if we're lucky. We might even ask the FH2 team if we could borrow their truck to use as the support vehicle:

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There's tons of old trucks like this in service with both the DRC and rebels. Toss in some technicals, some pickups, perhaps a recoilless rifle on a truck (do it Delta! ;) ), and you've got yourself a semi-regular army!

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 16:42
by arjan
PoE wont give you their models

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 17:35
by A_Grounded_Pilot
arjan wrote:PoE wont give you their models
Good to know. Do you know if it's worth asking the Forgotten Hope dev team?

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 17:37
by bosco_
They won't give you anything for a community mod.

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-15 17:45
by A_Grounded_Pilot
OK so it looks like we'll have to model a few vehicles ourselves. No big deal. The truck would be better off as a ZIL-130 anyways. Would we be able to borrow guns and/or player models from EoD, USI, and IDF?

Re: [Proposal] The Army of the Democratic Republic of Congo Faction

Posted: 2008-11-28 19:56
by A_Grounded_Pilot
This is a little project I did to learn my way around the BF2 editor. It's my first attempt at skinning anything. It was a simple reskin because I was able to start with the white technical and work from there. I also replaced the Kord HMG with an M2, because M2s have been around for decades and are quite prolific in Africa. Oh, and I lifted the suspension a bit because the technicals in game right now all look like low riders to me :D

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Here's the problem with using the M2 - no built-in mount for the ammo box. It's just sort of floating there right now. I guess this means I'll have to learn 3ds max...

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