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Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-04 00:32
by maniac1031
iSmall wrote:Man, would be more fun to move in and confirm those kills instead of watching your scoreboard. It's project reality, in real life you can't open some magic table on your eyes and see what have you killed, what not.
Guess what In real life you cant get stabbed by a bit of epinephrin and get back up and continue fighting when you get a bullet to the face. Knowing how many kills you have compared to the rest of the people doesn't change the game-play what so ever. Its not CODish to want to know how well you did in a round stop pretending it is.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-05 16:16
by 40mmrain
DDS wrote:Wont be removed because people want to see their killz n' shit.
so thats why over 50% of the people voted to have it removed, or have it only shown post-game? and another 17% want it changed in some way?

fucking polling man, how does it work?!

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-06 02:37
by ShockUnitBlack
Remain convinced this is worthy of testing at the very minimum.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-08 19:34
by Mikemonster
40mmrain wrote:so thats why over 50% of the people voted to have it removed, or have it only shown post-game? and another 17% want it changed in some way?

fucking polling man, how does it work?!
50% of the PR forum users.. Remember the old saying: Lies, damned lies and statistics.

(Just saying that a lot of PR players don't use these forums).

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-10 21:14
by DDS
40mmrain wrote:so thats why over 50% of the people voted to have it removed, or have it only shown post-game? and another 17% want it changed in some way?

fucking polling man, how does it work?!
Nobody voted to have anything removed. Forum members were asked a question.
Thats not the whole lot of PR players. You need a good argument to see this implemented and I am almost sure that people will go wild if it was removed because they want to see their kills n' shit. Scores and flag cap is just background noise unfortunately.

Test: run a server with scores screen removed. Lets see how many people populate it.
maniac1031 wrote:..Knowing how many kills you have compared to the rest of the people doesn't change the game-play what so ever.
Actually there is a fair argument that seeing who has died on the other team can affect the outcome. A compromise would be to just show your COD killz n' shit and not who has died on the opposing team. But it aint gonna happen anyway.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-11 21:49
by maniac1031
DDS wrote:
Actually there is a fair argument that seeing who has died on the other team can affect the outcome. A compromise would be to just show your COD killz n' shit and not who has died on the opposing team. But it aint gonna happen anyway.
Your right it definitely can effect the outcome of a match knowing that an entire team is dead and now is the best time to move in.

See the problem with getting rid of seeing if the other teams dead is you now need to sit around for 5 minutes after you kill a squad to make sure that they aren't revived.

I don't think that its fair to see if the other team is dead but I think its even more unfair/stupid to get into an engagement with another squad wipe them out. Then move on only to have a medic come revive the entire squad that is now behind your lines knows your squad is still alive and you have no idea that they have been magically resurrected.

So unless there is a way to stop an entire squad from being resurrected by a single man then I feel like seeing the other teams status is the lesser of to evils. I mean you could have a little marker that shows up when some one you kill gives up then you could remove the grey out effect but I feel like that would be even more Cod like having something pop up.

As for k/d it shows how well you preformed in combat for the most part there is no reason to remove it.
Replacing it with how many tickets you cost the enemy team and how many you have cost your team would be amazing. Because then you really know if you were a general help or burden to your team.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-18 18:48
by DDS
maniac1031 wrote:Your right it definitely can effect the outcome of a match knowing that an entire team is dead and now is the best time to move in.

See the problem with getting rid of seeing if the other teams dead is you now need to sit around for 5 minutes after you kill a squad to make sure that they aren't revived.

I don't think that its fair to see if the other team is dead but I think its even more unfair/stupid to get into an engagement with another squad wipe them out. Then move on only to have a medic come revive the entire squad that is now behind your lines knows your squad is still alive and you have no idea that they have been magically resurrected.

So unless there is a way to stop an entire squad from being resurrected by a single man then I feel like seeing the other teams status is the lesser of to evils. I mean you could have a little marker that shows up when some one you kill gives up then you could remove the grey out effect but I feel like that would be even more Cod like having something pop up.

As for k/d it shows how well you preformed in combat for the most part there is no reason to remove it.
Replacing it with how many tickets you cost the enemy team and how many you have cost your team would be amazing. Because then you really know if you were a general help or burden to your team.
Good points. Glad were now talking about the elephants in the room.

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"If" the score screen was removed there are some balance changes that might be adjusted.
Maybe the medic system could be adjusted differently. A balance weighted better between dead-dead and wounded-magically-healed. Dome of un-revive when enemy are nearby. Less epipens for medic. Lower the revive timer countdown.

As far as how well someone performs, yes displaying team achievement would be step in the right direction. But its broken too. Master FOB builder squad get the highest score but not as much as the squad that defends a flag.

Death0fDismaster:"hahaha i just shot you right in the face... lololololol.. you suk look at ma KD haha"
End of Round: Death0fDismaster - you contributed nothing to your team
Death0fDismaster: (facepalm!)

It could be an improvement, have to be tested of course. But it isn't going to happen. Were outnumbered.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-25 05:42
by 007.SirBond
We have to remove the kill counter, too many times players will not help the team because they want more kills.

I'm talking about the APC and Tank players who sit around shooting at enemy infantry rather than answering friendly infantry squads requesting APC or Tank support because they are pinned down from enemy APC.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-29 14:32
by Mikemonster
But then nobody would volunteer to play CAS!

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2012-12-31 08:20
by Essac Crown
Remove it or Only show it when the battle end.
How do u know where the target is ?
And why do u know the target will appear on your sector or your teammate?
I fight for the Victory,not for Kill

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-11 09:17
by Hokunin
Only show it when battle ends.

Its kind of an unrealistic, exploit, when enemy mortars, tanks or enemy squads keep hammering the last known insurgents location with fire until they get magic kill point on their scoreboard. In real world they wouldn't know it, if insurgents are dead, and how many, and still would be scared to enter the location without knowing for sure if its clear.

That also concern snipers, from afar without realtime kill point enemy wouldn't know if sniper is killed or just ducked down for a moment

Posted: 2013-01-22 11:35
by L4gi
Only people complaining about removing kills are the ones not getting any.

Kills are an important part of the game. How are you going to capture the flag if you dont kill anyone. Are you hoping for the enemy tickets to magically reduce in number without killing anyone?

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 12:20
by brezmans
L4gi wrote:Only people complaining about removing kills are the ones not getting any.

Kills are an important part of the game. How are you going to capture the flag if you dont kill anyone. Are you hoping for the enemy tickets to magically reduce in number without killing anyone?
You'd still see people going down when you shoot them, right? So that's how you know, like in reality. And instead of waiting for the kills to show up in the scoreboard to know that they've given up, clear the area, maintain control for a few minutes and then move on.

I voted to show the kills at the end of the round, making people rely less on the scoreboard but more on tactics where you'd actually have to check a whole building or compound for surviving enemies instead of just camping across the street with an eye on your killcounter.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 14:07
by nAyo
How in the hell would it improve anything and be any useful? Focus on what could be improved first before thinking about what should be removed because it's not necessary or realistic. Epipens are not realistic either, let's remove them?

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 15:14
by kangaroo
nAyo wrote:How in the hell would it improve anything and be any useful? Focus on what could be improved first before thinking about what should be removed because it's not necessary or realistic. Epipens are not realistic either, let's remove them?
Lol "Got Blown up by a tank at point Blank range", "No Worries mate, Got a epipen off that dead diabetic solider"

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 15:16
by ExeTick
why not just put a delay on 5-10min before your score is updated on your scoreboard?

it will stop this random mortaring and people will still have to clear a compound like you described by brezmans.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 15:44
by Felix
I don't even know why you are still discussing this, the devs said they wouldnt remove it.

What L4gi said
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Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 15:51
by ExeTick
ah nice to hear that :) I didnt even know that they said they are not going to remove kill counter.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-22 19:30
by Mikemonster
Odd as usually an Already Suggested Suggestion is closed.

Re: Remove the kill counter?

Posted: 2013-01-23 16:39
by victor_phx
Mikemonster wrote:Odd as usually an Already Suggested Suggestion is closed.
This isn't a suggestion. It was created by Gore in 2009.

I know this has been discussed extensively, but I still hope they'd consider showing the score only at the end of the round.