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I played briefly last light on Qwai and it was OK, we had a little SL comms going with talking beer mug doing a good job. A little too many ineffective 2 or 3 man squads, but generally OK.

I dont have anything but good rounds on the server.

As to the teamkilling. Does the rules say its allowed to tk for fun?

Also....

No asshatting, shooting, grenades or smoke in main bases.

It does not get anymore clear than that. Shooting fake missiles or whatever...its still shooting.

@Mastik/Corux: I originally had a long post written out for this but after re-reading it I decided that I would not post it as it would only add to your undeserved sense of entitlement that you already displayed in the server.

What happened:

1. Your friend was kicked for shooting at the other Kiowa in main and behaving like a tool.
2. You were warned and then kicked for not letting it go, spamming all-chat and insulting other players and admins.

We do not tolerate any of this behavior, please adjust it or play somewhere else.

For extra credit: you failed to understand the concept of 'smartbalance' and kept asking why the admins were teamswitching you, while it was in fact the autobalance of the server that was switching you. You asked to be switched back on 3 seperate occasions and you were switched back almost instantly every time.

Also, I don't know why you aren't playing under your regular name (]CIA[ Corux[XXL])? The same goes for your friend...

Nothing to see here, move along.

@Ploddit: in these trying times, that is as much as anyone can expect from any PR game, I suppose? Thanks for playing and thanks for the feedback.

@Jevski: thanks for playing as well, while we love having you guys in our server I do hope that your PR home (NwA, no?) will come online again soon.

@Jevski
Clearly you missed the point being about the admin staff making rash decisions with any evidence or a single check.

You are out-right saying that this is not an issue you care about or you deem important to fully address with the post you had written out. Clearly you do not care about the way your admins treat players.
Then again you are noting that I was warned before being removed with the server, heck I like it that someone had the sense to kick me with the message 'cool off' no problem there. But saying I was warned? not at any point.

You seem quite confused
"For extra credit: you failed to understand the concept of 'smartbalance' and kept asking why the admins were teamswitching you, while it was in fact the autobalance of the server that was switching you. You asked to be switched back on 3 seperate occasions and you were switched back almost instantly every time. "


you should double check that statement as I have not asked to be switched by an admin on your server for quite a long period of time. I even commented the teams were 34/30 when one fellow requested he be switched by admin again after he was switched and insta-team balanced back.

I play with whatever name I like on whichever server I like because often it avoids drama, bias and larger problems.

In short, you have ignored what happened, and attempted to blame me for something I did not do. Good job Brezmans I had heard you're a good admin.


Just to add in another question you will not answer: Why is it acceptable for your admins to KILL command players on the unknowns when there is no rule dictating that you will be killed if you spawn on an unknown.

I care deeply about the unjust actions of admins towards players when the players in question have done nothing wrong.

In this case it was simply a case of enforcing the rules on players that fail to follow them. If that is somehow a strange concept for you, I believe our conversation ends here.

brezmans wrote:I care deeply about the unjust actions of admins towards players when the players in question have done nothing wrong.

In this case it was simply a case of enforcing the rules on players that fail to follow them. If that is somehow a strange concept for you, I believe our conversation ends here.

youre clearly only interested in saving face but not addressing admins making up rules nor checking that reports are right before acting. You're hopeless

Last night my time which is some silly time in the morning in the US, Kozelsk was running we had a 'freekits' squad what is HOGs view on this?

On a full server I hate this as the SL and 5 members who join this squad are wasting spaces that could be filled with players that at least would work in a squad.

@Mastik: I don't want this to turn into a back and forth, but you should notice from my replies in this thread to other reports that I take serious offenses seriously, and I do act on them if they are mistakes made by our admin-team.

In this particular case, it is only a matter of a disgruntled player who ran into our admins doing their jobs. Your attitude and responses here and in the server only illustrate this point further.

The tenure of your posts here mean that you either fail to understand what you did wrong or that you are purposely trying to discredit the admins running the server, both of which ultimately have led and will lead to your exclusion from the server. Bad-attitude-players have a way of getting themselves noticed rather quickly, no matter which name they play under.

@Ploddit: that touches on a sensitive subject of enforcing certain gameplay-styles, like kicking bad squadleaders or bad crewmen. I personally don't like seeing those squads and I think most of HOG would agree with me here. If it happens again, try to ask the admins online to deal with it if that squad is blocking the formation of a 'decent' squad, however don't be surprised if the admins online are reluctant to remove the squad in question.
You are always welcome to jump in our TS as well to discuss this with the staff that is on 'duty' at that time.

Yesterday evening (GMT) around 20:30 me and my mates were playing on your server on Kashan Desert. Within the minute we arrived at South Bunkers we got rushed by a full tank squad, if I recall correctly there were 2 tanks inside the South Bunker complex who literally rushed the flag and destroyed all the fobs and killed most of the infantry. The overlooking tank shot everything down from the hills. Within the first 10 minutes we lost all transportation due to this case. When I reported it and asked there was no response. We thought flag rushing was not allowed, then some random bloke from Hardcore whom seems to have admin rights on the server started yelling at me why we didn't have a FOB at south bunkers. I explained it to him that the enemy was rushing, that we reported it thinking that there was a rule against it and that the admin (read: he) didn't respond within a reasonable amount of time. This bothers me, first off all flag rushing ruined the game and always ruins the game. Second of all it really frustrates me that some admins first ignore you while they were active (at the moment he was running around in the middle of nowhere) and then start getting angry.

So I want to ask;

1. Is flag rushing really allowed, if so why?
2. Is there any chance of changing it in the future since it ruins the game.
3. Could you ask some of your admins, especially the ones without the =HOG= tags to act reasonable for once.
4. Something completely out of context, but could you ask some of your regulars whom have connection with the admins (same tags) to initiate more teamwork and communications since last week I had some terrible 0% teamwork and comm games on the HOG server while there were people squadleading with tags showing that they can play the game.

I hope you can do something with this feedback.

We don't have a rule against flag-rushing and won't make one in the near future. It is a matter of preference and we don't feel the need to enforce gameplay rules like this. As for an admin 'yelling', if I had a penny for every time someone yelled during the heat of the battle for a lack of fobs, I'd be able to give every pr player his own server, but I realize that players hold admins to a higher standard. If you PM me the name of the admin in question I will talk to him.

I also wanted to thank [3dAC]DudeNukem and dogmaster for a fun but very challenging round on mestia yesterday, good comms going on the SL channel, too bad about the servercrash.

For him there was no heat of the battle because in my opinion he was scratching his balls off somewhere in the mountains I think. He totally missed the part of us getting rushed. I really hope that you guys do watch out for excessive flag-rushing if you guys allow it, I mean one round okay but if people keep rushing first flags round after round it is a game ruiner.

Sorry fellas, I think some of the NwA members have been spoilt having there own server and playing the game the way we like to play.

Remember lads as Clan members who used to have there own server you all should know how hard it is to admin a busy server. Personally I would like to thank HOG for being so welcoming to NwA and doing what they can to give every one a good game. So pull ya necks in fellas and if you dont like they way other servers play the game put ya hands in ya pockets and fund our own server once more.

Thanks,

*NwA* Orford.

I assume you were MEC on kashan and got rushed by US tanks? With two proper roll outs you can make it inside one of the southern bunkers (not southernmost, its a deathtrap) before tanks can get on the ridge. That is up against the best roll out in a tank you can do. Both teams have to rush to bunkers in the frist 5 minutes before the hills get tanks and HATs, its kind of how the map works. I love rushing and catching opponents derping around because they think its safe, but I have also seen enough failed rushes to know its not unstoppable.

That is why I don't get why everyone wants to ban rushing, you can take steps to stop it, and turn it into an advantage depending on the situation. We've played all these maps so many times we should all know by now likely routes the enemy will rush and how to avoid it.

Yes we were MEC on Kashan and we got rushed by 2 to 3 US Tanks. My infantry squad was supposed to go SB and we did. We made a FOB over there with no assets since we only had one crate from the helicopter which only could started flying after 2 minutes due to a lack of pilots and CAS squad was rushing away with a truck to the middle of nowhere together with the other squads. The BMP squad at the time didn't have enough members to roll out and the tank squad decided to roll to SV in order to cap it. By the time our FOB was build the first tank on the mountain opened fire on us splitting our unit in half. The second tank rolled into the bunker complex just a few seconds later. Our HAT shot the tank on the hill but it didn't knock it out, the second tank then killed the fob, supplies and our ammo guy who was trying to give the HAT some ammo. By this time the BMP that rolled in even after the warnings about the tank got shot from a distance by a possible tirth tank and in the meanwhile we also lost our second (?) transport helicopter. Our tanks that finally capped the village got partly taken out when trying to push the US armor away, this was unsuccessful. Where was the rest of the team? Either camping their balls off in North Outpost or camping in main waiting for their Havocs, then one admin started screaming why we didn't have any FOB up and why we didn't even try to get one up even though we tried to get one build. I hope this explains what happened Chrisweb. It was a good tactic on their side and our team didn't countered it well, but it isn't a reason for the admin to first ignore and then scream, at least in my opinion.

I can try to turn in an advantage by probably creating a minefield out of my pocket or rushing even faster to the mountains but with half of the team still going to the middle of nowhere it will be no success.

I hope you understand it now why in this case we didn't manage to pull it off and why I was pissed off because of the =)H(= admin screaming over mumble.

I can understand the being mad about a playing screaming, just not expecting there to be a no rush rule, when its pretty clear the other team was on the ball and a better team than that MEC team. MEC can rush bunkers just as easily, so in my opinion on that round your team got fucked by incompetence from squads not helping, and tanks not going to the middle right away. From the sounds of it being 1 squad in bunkers with no external support your best option might have been to hide inside the best you could, but that's in hindsight and probably wouldn't have worked in the end.

Admins don't make any effort to respond to legit reports done in squad chat and only respond after being called out on all chat several times. This way everything takes forever to resolve and whoever makes a report in all chat with all caps wins any argument because the admins just kick the other guy. Admins switching themselves and their mates to favourable team doesn't help either.

Can you explain what happened? If your !report was anything as vague as your post, I can see where the confusion came in.

On that note, I want to remind people that we can only work with what you are telling us. Heres some cut and paste examples of the kinds of reports we see every day.

Examples of bad reports
"Player1 is being a jerk!!"
"Player1 stole my asset."
"Player1 stole my kit."
"Player1 is tking people" <---- when there is no report of team killing in the chat stream.
"OMG I just got killed in main"

Examples of the same reports that we can work with
"Player1 is trying to kill me for my kit. He has taken several shots at me"
"Player1 is in my stealing a trans huey. He is not in the trans squad"
"Player1 tk'ed me and LUNG 5 minutes ago."
"Someone is firing into our main. I was just killed there. Can someone check for me?"



Its rare that we ever get reports that would fall in the "good" category. At the same time we can only work with the tools that we have. If someone is griefing on the other team, we don't have a tool to see whats going on. We have to switch sides (and wait 60 seconds for a respawn), and see if we can see whats going on first hand. If you are detailed and explain exactly what happened in your report, things will be a lot easier for the players and the admins who have to deal with the issue.

Well, it was more of a general feedback as something like what I described happens pretty much every time I play on HOG. Yesterday, for example, me and my buddy got teamkilled on The Falklands by a jet when we were manning the Scorpion. I reported it in squad chat first, then in team chat and then in all chat couple of times (yes, with the name of the offender and accuse) and admins (there were 4) finally asked what's wrong... After 5 minutes of reports... Of course the guy already left by that time and admins seemed ok with that. Next round was Burning Sands where one of your admins switched himself and his friend to GB team just so they could use better assets. The teams were unbalanced as it was and they go switching themselves...

Just because you report something doesn't mean the admins have to act on it. We get literally 100s of reports every day because people will report everything that happens. Most of those reports are just people being angry at someone else. Also not every TK is on purpose but the knee-jerk reaction is to report it and hope that the offender will get kicked simply because you are angry at that point.

Well yeah, you get 100s of reports because you literally need to report something 20x for an admin to respond. And after calling him out on all chat he usually responds with: "What is it?" or similar because he still doesn't get what's happening. I know that most teamkills are innocent and I'd never report those, but when somebody teamkills the only piece of armor on the map with a jet and then leaves the server in less than 2min it's different. And admins still don't do anything.