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Nebsif wrote:Srsly, what's wrong with playing music on mumble, even if it makes certain ploddits explode??
Not everything has to be tacticool milsim blablabla...

Jevski wrote:Most action shooters nowadays are simple compared to PR. Players buy games to relax and have fun. Most players do not want to have a game that you actually have to invest in, to read, to learn.

PR is not such a game.

In today's age, we have gotten catered to have everything the easy way on the internet. May it be Google or an easy way to rent a movie.

In the old days you actually had to work for the fun part. With Boardgames you had to read the rules/manual before you could play it. No computer to try over and over again and figure it out

In my opinion RFTM is a valid response to questions about basic concepts in the game.
When a player walks in on a server, expecting to have everything served as his feet, at no work from himself, I do not take him seriously. Why should I spend my playing time, which is increasingly getting smaller to teach someone the bacis, when that player easily could just read the manual, or google additional youtube videos that explain both tactics & gameplay. We all had to work to get better at PR, that being SL or just a grunt.

Skill takes time and hard work.

I have no problem if a player joins, tells me he is new to the game and takes a rifleman. I will gladly have him in my sqd as long as he listens and follow orders, mistakes included.

But have a player joins, not saying a word and take a sniper to run off, or join expecting me to teach him how to aim, fire, take a weapon, enter a car and complains why there is no radar like in BF2 then no. If he hasn't done his homework, I will send him back to do so.

I have experienced players who, with an arrogant attitude expected me to explain everything to him. When told to read the manual - the response I got was "im to lazy, why don't you just tell me everything"

Remember.....

Before the internet, the village idiot would stay in his village.

SGT.Ice wrote: Human interaction & learning from someone that know's how things work. Will teach him much quicker/efficiently compared to reading walls of text. When you have human interaction you can also ask your questions on the spot & get them clarified, a manual cannot answer them on the spot.

B.Pronk(NL) wrote:I am recently starting to ask guys if they are new if they seem to be inexperienced. When they say I yes I often give them a few tips, number one is to print out the manual and lay it next to them so they can look up when needed. The second one is to keep it to the rifleman and not to take the sniper kit. The thirth one is to be responsive, and the last one is to not panic when getting shot at, it really helped some guys but I am afraid it only lasts for one day.

'KillJoy[Fr wrote:;1796095']Da polish guy yesterday night ?

B.Pronk(NL) wrote:I am recently starting to ask guys if they are new if they seem to be inexperienced. When they say I yes I often give them a few tips, number one is to print out the manual and lay it next to them so they can look up when needed. The second one is to keep it to the rifleman and not to take the sniper kit. The thirth one is to be responsive, and the last one is to not panic when getting shot at, it really helped some guys but I am afraid it only lasts for one day.

B.Pronk(NL) wrote:Yes, but I gave him the medic kit later on and it turned out he was a solid medic whom didn't paniced he was a good guy after all.

sweedensniiperr wrote:See. This is the stuff you want to hear. Instead of the usual "PR gameplay is ruined by noobs".

A.Wickens wrote:I am an Elitist, but not regards mumble.

I don't tolerate racists, idiots, griefers, immature players, haters, juvenile 'Experts' on the game that couldn't display any form of realistic tactics in a functional manner, game exploiters etc.

If the community spent more time excluding these type of players, and the rest of it educating new players then you would see growth. Instead every thread devolves into LOL bs and name calling. Mumble is a great tool so encourage its use, don't kick someone who isn't using it. Show them why it is beneficial to use it.

Those that use mumble every time they play, use it correctly. Cut the pointless spam and music that drags Mumble's name through the mud and reinforces the now dated perception of it and its users.

If you want a mature community that will attract new players the first thing you have to do is conduct yourself in a mature manner, the second is not kick players the second they join your squad because they aren't using mumble.

Seriously using Mumble isn't a guarantee of mature, tactical play, it's a tool that facilitates coordination. I have heard just as much garbage, if not more, over Mumble as I have over squad chat.

Demonstrate the advantages of Mumble to get people to use. Act maturely, play tactically, demonstrate teamwork, be open to new players etc if you want to attract them and get them invested.

The alternative is turning PR:Bf into a very small club that slowly withers.

Edit: I use the handling of the 'Mumble' debate as an example as it is clearly symptomatic of many other issues in the community.

SGT.Ice wrote:But on the topic of elitism, why don't we take a poll of what everyone defines elitism as so we can better handle the topic..

SGT.Ice wrote:Really hope so, when I started playing the game seriously it was a lot funner. Then again back then people across the board were all about the game, not themselves.

What I find most annoying as i'm an ******* to everyone equally & like to think I am better for various reasons. It pisses me off when I tell someone what button to press in order to type & they still can't respond. The community started to take a turn for the worse/become hostile imo ~0.8 or 0.85.

Brainlaag wrote:From what I remember it really started with 0.9, probably because of the massive influx of new players with that big and well advertised release.