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I Said i now only play with high and that works great. Clearly I understand, but between high and ultra its very different sounding. Ive tried all the drivers when i had my fatality card and all openal versions. Bought the new Asus xonar essence stx cause it had great reviews and supported eax 2.0 with better drivers. But apparently its the openal with win7 that screws the positioning up in bf2 with ultra. U had enough in the end cause there was no fix.
Then again and again to you, most people run PR in high. So why bother try to fix something I cant? And again, its up to you to see if theres a fix.
Positioning is nothing I have control over.
And as Ive Said. Nothing had changed with position since pre 1.0 and after. Have you tried yourself?
Dont say my hardware and drivers are ****. Best Ive bought for a long time.

Perhaps for people experiencing bad sound placement can video record it? Surely you should be able to hear it in a video right?

[R-DEV]-=anders=- wrote:I Said i now only play with high and that works great. Clearly I understand, but between high and ultra its very different sounding. Ive tried all the drivers when i had my fatality card and all openal versions. Bought the new Asus xonar essence stx cause it had great reviews and supported eax 2.0 with better drivers. But apparently its the openal with win7 that screws the positioning up in bf2 with ultra. U had enough in the end cause there was no fix.
Then again and again to you, most people run PR in high. So why bother try to fix something I cant? And again, its up to you to see if theres a fix.
Positioning is nothing I have control over.
And as Ive Said. Nothing had changed with position since pre 1.0 and after. Have you tried yourself?
Dont say my hardware and drivers are ****. Best Ive bought for a long time.

You can't be serious. I switched from Win XP to Win 7 while playing PR and there was no magical change done to positioning, everything still worked. It's after PR 1.0 got released when these changes started appearing. Please don't make up bs reasons, Win7 has nothing to do with this.

And I'm sorry to say this, but the M50's are **** at what you're using them for.

[R-DEV]Mineral wrote:Perhaps for people experiencing bad sound placement can video record it? Surely you should be able to hear it in a video right?

Ultra-high settings make OpenAL talk directly to the sound card, bypassing any Win drivers. And because of that Win programs have nothing to record. So no, we can't, at least not in a simple way. There's a workaround but I have no idea about capturing binaural sound, what codecs to use etc. so I doubt I'd be able to produce anything you'd be happy with. And Anders is using the M50's anyway, says he has no influence over positioning and won't make changes to ultra-high settings, so why bother?

Prevtzer wrote:You can't be serious. I switched from Win XP to Win 7 while playing PR and there was no magical change done to positioning, everything still worked. It's after PR 1.0 got released when these changes started appearing. Please don't make up bs reasons, Win7 has nothing to do with this.

And I'm sorry to say this, but the M50's are **** at what you're using them for.



Ultra-high settings make OpenAL talk directly to the sound card, bypassing any Win drivers. And because of that Win programs have nothing to record. So no, we can't, at least not in a simple way. There's a workaround but I have no idea about capturing binaural sound, what codecs to use etc. so I doubt I'd be able to produce anything you'd be happy with. And Anders is using the M50's anyway, says he has no influence over positioning and won't make changes to ultra-high settings, so why bother?

Do tell what's wrong with my system and headphones? Maybe, my hearing is just better than yours? It's a blast to work with these! Way better than any creative card I've had. And headphones I tried out in a musical instrument store before I bought them. They were better than most headphones that were 2 times more expensive. I've never heard anyone say anything bad about those. Only you... But maybe you're god. In that case, proove it to me, instead of blaming me for your 1.0-> experience, and I'd gladly evaluate and critize as much as I can.

I wouldn't make up BS reasons. But you surely are. Your reasons are because you want to play with ultra, when I say there's something wrong with positioning that I can't control.
I tell you my experience, nothing more.

I tell you once more, do try to help if you can. Or dont get involved in the forums if you can't play, because you refuse to play on High -settings.

Personally I have no problems with the positioning. Its as good as before on "High". The main point of this thread were too quiet footsteps and I agreed on that. They indeed were louder in the past. But as many already pointed out, thats most likely due to the increased vehicle and weapon sounds in the background, because in a quiet environment I can still hear quite far.

Regarding Ultra: It was always bugged and never supposed to be used by most PR players. I got to admit positioning was way better in Ultra on EAX 5. You could actually hear where exactly the bullet shells were dropping when you were firing and such. The overall positioning was much more detailed. But it was bugged. On windows you would regulary get bluescreens in combination with BF2:Ultra because of the crappy creative drivers (PAX could not fix that problem either) ...also you cannot record any sound if you want to record your gameplay. Adding alot of soundglitches which do not appear on High, + the ability to hear footsteps, vehicles and FOBs 6x farther than regular players, it could be considered as an exploit only a few people were able to use. The added hearing distance was never intended as far as I know. Therefore it got kind of fixed with the 1.0 patch, nerfing the Ultra high settings.

I agree with anders, It doesnt make sense to spent time and effort in trying to fix Ultra mode, if so few people use it, and due to its issues with sound drivers, is unstable as shit anyways.

Just stick to High, as the DEVs always intended to. Infact the Ultra setting should even be removed due to the above mentioned facts, aslong as there is no stable and bug/exploit-free version of it.

[quote=""'[R-DEV"]-=anders=-;2010415']Do tell what's wrong with my system and headphones? Maybe, my hearing is just better than yours? It's a blast to work with these! Way better than any creative card I've had. And headphones I tried out in a musical instrument store before I bought them. They were better than most headphones that were 2 times more expensive. I've never heard anyone say anything bad about those. Only you... But maybe you're god. In that case, proove it to me, instead of blaming me for your 1.0-> experience, and I'd gladly evaluate and critize as much as I can.

I wouldn't make up BS reasons. But you surely are. Your reasons are because you want to play with ultra, when I say there's something wrong with positioning that I can't control.
I tell you my experience, nothing more.

I tell you once more, do try to help if you can. Or dont get involved in the forums if you can't play, because you refuse to play on High -settings.[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with your system or headphones, the M50's sound great for the price, I even recommended them to my brother and he bought them. But not any headphones can be used for "studio" work, where critical listening is what matters. For that you need transparent, neutral headphones and the M50's are not it.

It's funny how you claim Win7 somehow broke the ultra mode, yet I've never had any issue before the latest 1.0 patches, but whatever you want.

I got involved to let Mikemonster know he doesn't have a X-Fi card and can't play on ultra, as he claimed. I hope he will understand.

[quote="Spook""]Personally I have no problems with the positioning. Its as good as before on "High". The main point of this thread were too quiet footsteps and I agreed on that. They indeed were louder in the past. But as many already pointed out, thats most likely due to the increased vehicle and weapon sounds in the background, because in a quiet environment I can still hear quite far.

Regarding Ultra: It was always bugged and never supposed to be used by most PR players. I got to admit positioning was way better in Ultra on EAX 5. You could actually hear where exactly the bullet shells were dropping when you were firing and such. The overall positioning was much more detailed. But it was bugged. On windows you would regulary get bluescreens in combination with BF2:Ultra because of the crappy creative drivers (PAX could not fix that problem either) ...also you cannot record any sound if you want to record your gameplay. Adding alot of soundglitches which do not appear on High, + the ability to hear footsteps, vehicles and FOBs 6x farther than regular players, it could be considered as an exploit only a few people were able to use. The added hearing distance was never intended as far as I know. Therefore it got kind of fixed with the 1.0 patch, nerfing the Ultra high settings.

I agree with anders, It doesnt make sense to spent time and effort in trying to fix Ultra mode, if so few people use it, and due to its issues with sound drivers, is unstable as shit anyways.

Just stick to High, as the DEVs always intended to. Infact the Ultra setting [WEGAME][/WEGAME]should even be removed due to the above mentioned facts, aslong as there is no stable and bug/exploit-free version of it.[/quote]

Maybe it was always bugged in PR, but not in vBF2 or even other mods, I've only had sound bugs appear in PR. I also never had any BSOD issues, not even in PR.

Prevtzer wrote:There's nothing wrong with your system or headphones, the M50's sound great for the price, I even recommended them to my brother and he bought them. But not any headphones can be used for "studio" work, where critical listening is what matters. For that you need transparent, neutral headphones and the M50's are not it.

It's funny how you claim Win7 somehow broke the ultra mode, yet I've never had any issue before the latest 1.0 patches, but whatever you want.

I got involved to let Mikemonster know he doesn't have a X-Fi card and can't play on ultra, as he claimed. I hope he will understand.



Maybe it was always bugged in PR, but not in vBF2 or even other mods, I've only had sound bugs appear in PR. I also never had any BSOD issues, not even in PR.

Anyways... Stay tuned for future projects with a "not-that-old-engine" as Refractor2. Seems I can't do more for this Ultra High setting to work properly in BF2 R. Seems it's either High or not at all. I'm as frustrated as you. Remember that. Especially sounds that culls out when they reach the simultaneous limit.

Prevtzer wrote:
Maybe it was always bugged in PR, but not in vBF2 or even other mods, I've only had sound bugs appear in PR. I also never had any BSOD issues, not even in PR.

What drivers are you using? Every other person I know of had to deal with the same BSOD's as me. Onil too.

Spook wrote:What drivers are you using? Every other person I know of had to deal with the same BSOD's as me. Onil too.

I have the beta drivers form Head-fi. They are meant specifically for the Titanium HD though. IMO most people just don't have the newest OpenAL dll wrapper and that's probably causing problems.

Prevtzer wrote:I have the beta drivers form Head-fi. They are meant specifically for the Titanium HD though. IMO most people just don't have the newest OpenAL dll wrapper and that's probably causing problems.

Maybe you know how to help me and ConscriptVirus with a Xfi related issue?
https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f27-pr ... ounds.html

Prevtzer wrote:What you wrote makes no sense because Creative X-Fi XtremeAudio is NOT a proper X-Fi card. A proper X-Fi card has an EMU20k1 audio chip, which is what makes it X-Fi. The XtremeAudio uses an older chip, very similar to the old Audigy SE cards (Source1, Source2, Source3, if you don't believe me).

What this means is that BF2 does NOT allow you to play on Ultra High settings, as it's searching for the EMU20k1 sound chip and its positional algorithms. XtremeAudio doesn't have that so you're either lying, or PR is playing tricks on you by letting you select UltraHigh, while in fact you're using Hardware and High or Software and Medium (BF2 default). To clarify this- would you say the sound is binaural or limited to certain number of channels?

I lied - I have the XtremeMusic which does have the EMU20K1 chip.

It's an old card so I don't have any real emotional attachment to it, meaning I forgot which exact model it was. I remembered that there was one that wasn't 'real' X-Fi, just got the names mixed up.

As mentioned - With the Xonar D2 (now used in my HTPC) I had a much better sound stage (and apparenly has EAX 2.0 as standard - correct me if I'm wrong). I wasn't one of those guys that could hear a jeep from across the map (those horrible mercedes ones aside..), but I could always have a fairly good idea of what direction the sound came from.

FWIW I play PR using stereo output into a (Cheapish) sony Home Theatre digital amp, then out through a ?40 pair of Sennheiser headphones. But I did notice a difference straight away.

With that in mind though, I should actually turn EAX and Ultra off and try only on High, to see if there's a difference.

Talking about sound reminds me of when I bought the Xonar D2 and 'upgraded' from the mobo's onboard Realtek 7.1. My KD ratio improved by about 10%. I am a firm believer in the holistic experience and don't have a problem with people buying better PC gear in order to enjoy the game more.