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The L85 really has MUCH lower recoil than the M16. Try it out with an ironsight L85 it really has way lower recoil. Maybe you're thinking of the SUSAT which "feels" like it has more recoil - although that's just because the movements are magnified in the scope. Whatever the case, the L85 definatley already has much lower recoil.

'[R-MOD wrote:DukeMeister']Wow dude your getting absolutely furious and I can't quite understand why.

Katern wasnt being offensive. Chill.

Katern was being both pedantic & sarcastic, look in the dictionary for the definition of both those words. Also i wasn't furious i was giving him a firm rebuttal to his comment , last thing i would want to do is piss of a Dev that is working on possibly the most innovative mod around but i will set him straight if possible.

if an AK gives you 4-7" groups @ 100m , what does the M16A[?] and the M4 give you ?

Katern was being both pedantic & sarcastic, look in the dictionary for the definition of both those words. Also i wasn't furious i was giving him a firm rebuttal to his comment , last thing i would want to do is piss of a Dev that is working on possibly the most innovative mod around but i will set him straight if possible.
And what praytell is that ?
I do believe Katarn was referring to Hauler's post. Hauler certainly thought so.
When you start spouting off about realism and spawning and med packs, well, it's all been done before and we sometimes get a little tired of the high horse some folks climb on to complain about a video game.

Mekstizzle wrote:The L85 really has MUCH lower recoil than the M16. Try it out with an ironsight L85 it really has way lower recoil. Maybe you're thinking of the SUSAT which "feels" like it has more recoil - although that's just because the movements are magnified in the scope. Whatever the case, the L85 definatley already has much lower recoil.

Well I got better results with M16 than with L85. Mostly because of high rate of fire M16 has.
However I was comparing L85 and G3 and realized that the difference was no match to damage difference. G3 has now ideal damage, shouln't be changed any more but the recoil compared to weaker weapons is too low. So either recoil of G3 should go up or recoil of L85 and M16 should go down. L85 just slightly if u think so.

The L85 is beauty of a weapon IMO it's brilliant the way it is so is the QBZ.

its not the recoil Im bothered about its the power of a gat-gun that im bothered about

ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:if an AK gives you 4-7" groups @ 100m , what does the M16A[?] and the M4 give you ?

Although I have not personaly fired an M16, I have used AR15's. I have been told that the M16 is good for 1.5-4", at 100m from the factory.
I am not sure about the M4, it has a shorter barrel so it will be a little less accurate, but you can probably expect very close to the same results, As I know the AR15's can be quite the tac drivers with 14.5inch bbls.

wooly-back-jack wrote:its not the recoil Im bothered about its the power of a gat-gun that im bothered about

that mean's you want to be as powerful as G3 and other guns using 7.62x51mm NATO? LMAO!

no, like I have said in my previous posts. the m16 was fine in .4
now it is weak
hence the comment of gat gun



as powerful as 7.62? no
as powerful as the other 5.56 yes please.

i got one of them

i think he thought you ment the gat-ling gun

It's one of the most accurate rifles in the game (not including snipers)

Yea, its pretty accurate, but you're screwed if you end up in a CQB situation.

'[R-MOD wrote:DukeMeister']Wow dude your getting absolutely furious and I can't quite understand why.

Katern wasnt being offensive. Chill.

Seriously that guy is nuts. All im saying is that for this mod's sake you cant make the USMC have the M4 cause they don't use it really. If you can change the factions to Army or a combine USMC and Army then yeah it would be cool. Anyway I love the M16 nobody what anyone says and they shouldn't be disbanded for this mod.

ArmedDrunk&Angry wrote:if an AK gives you 4-7" groups @ 100m , what does the M16A[?] and the M4 give you ?

Katern was being both pedantic & sarcastic, look in the dictionary for the definition of both those words. Also i wasn't furious i was giving him a firm rebuttal to his comment , last thing i would want to do is piss of a Dev that is working on possibly the most innovative mod around but i will set him straight if possible.
And what praytell is that ?
I do believe Katarn was referring to Hauler's post. Hauler certainly thought so.
When you start spouting off about realism and spawning and med packs, well, it's all been done before and we sometimes get a little tired of the high horse some folks climb on to complain about a video game.

Was he ranting at me. Cause im right about M16's being the gun of choice for the USMC. Anyway what that guyis taking about for those new weapons being released for the Marines arent out yet and I know that the M16 and IT'S variants are still in commision.

I've never shot an M16 in real life, but judging by most videos found on youtube the recoil isn't nearly as big as it is in PR. :S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZoH0frWgJg

That's on 3-shot burst, btw.

18Zulukiller wrote:Katern was being both pedantic & sarcastic, look in the dictionary for the definition of both those words. last thing i would want to do is piss of a Dev

Yeah you might also want to think about pissing off a MOD who knows exactly what both of those words mean and will not hasten in banning your arse if you tell me too look up any more words in a dictionary.

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Here is your fix, increase the G3. That is all that is needed. The M16 as it is now is what you can expect from someone who qualified Marksman in his last round at the range. Nothing at all is wrong with the M16, I got into a 300+ firefight on my own against a sniper, me with My trusty M16. He hit near me quite a few times, but I killed him. If I can come out on top of a sniper in that far of a fight, then there is nothing wrong with it. In CQB, who cares if it isn't full auto, that is what your squad is for. One squad can put out rounds faster than any one Auto weapon can, so if you stick together and find one auto weapon man, you will win no matter what your weapon is. Now if you change the damage of the M16 to a higher level then you will actually be making it less realistic. I have said it a million times, when fired at a target at less that 100m, the 5.56 round will NOT do the optimum damage it was designed for, it will just poke small 5.56mm holes rather than shred them apart on the inside as they are designed for. There are the facts, don't change the M16. THis was the best move you have done for it and as a USMC player you have my approval!!!!!

{9thInf}GunnyMeyer wrote:I got into a 300+ firefight on my own against a sniper, me with My trusty M16. He hit near me quite a few times, but I killed him. If I can come out on top of a sniper in that far of a fight, then there is nothing wrong with it.

**** sniper then

Yeah, but my point is that at a range where the sniper was almost impossible to see, even if I was returning fire I should have been able to win if the weapon in question is ****. Sorry, but there is nothing wrong.