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I like both of the videos. Please do not call all mujahideen "terrorsts". They are well within their rights to defend their own countries from invaders.

I also like both videos....considering i did one of em,i am not offended by ether of the, i have many vids all depicting the deaths of ether us,brit or insurgents and not once has some one said "ooo take them off they offend me" i will continue to make vids like this and now with this Mujahideen music if thats what its called,

DirtyHarry88 wrote:I mentioned wouldn't the whole point in playing the game be classed as offensive and my post got deleted.

What is it with this place, you have a mature argument about something and when you prove a mod wrong your post gets deleted.

You are in exactly the same boat as me, happened to two of my posts in this thread for exactly the same reason.

I think there is a simple answer to all of this. It is a matter of time. Think about it, how common are WW2 movies now that tell both sides of the story? Think of all the WW2 games out there. Nobody gets offended by US troops getting hammered by the Germans in vids of certain games. Take Company of Heroes for example. Time heals all wounds. Right now we are picking on a very fresh wound.

Even Vietnam may be a little too fresh in some peoples minds to portray. Many years from now when all those involved in these conflicts are no longer around then people won't be so sensitive to the issue at hand.

Thanks to an every growing media, and a culture that feeds off of ON DEMAND entertainment, these sensitive subjects no longer get time to heal. You can go on meriad of internet video websites and see Allied troops killing/fighting insurgants and see an outcry of how evil America is. You can also see videos of the fanatics doing just the same and see an outcry for that. We live in the now, and right now these are sensitive subjects. Is that so hard to understand?

In a WW2 video game that guy with the US flag on his shoulder is just another joe. A war from long ago involving people you don't know. Civil war games, or even those of ancient civilizations have zero emotional effect on people. In games depicting current conflicts that vid of an IED destroying a US vehicle involved your brother, your best friend, maybe even your father. It sounds sappy I know, but you have to understand that is what makes this a hot topic. I mean I can hop in PR and do some mindless killing of the opposing forces with no problem. Its a game. Basically pitting your team and tactics against someone elses team and their tactics. No different then playing a game of chess. However, when you start assigning real life names and faces to things, not to mention real life ideology and politics, the video of a game becomes something more. Something that in such a short time, has not allowed us to no longer be emotionally attached to it.

Determined wrote:I think there is a simple answer to all of this. It is a matter of time. Think about it, how common are WW2 movies now that tell both sides of the story? Think of all the WW2 games out there. Nobody gets offended by US troops getting hammered by the Germans in vids of certain games. Take Company of Heroes for example. Time heals all wounds. Right now we are picking on a very fresh wound.

Even Vietnam may be a little too fresh in some peoples minds to portray. Many years from now when all those involved in these conflicts are no longer around then people won't be so sensitive to the issue at hand.

Thanks to an every growing media, and a culture that feeds off of ON DEMAND entertainment, these sensitive subjects no longer get time to heal. You can go on meriad of internet video websites and see Allied troops killing/fighting insurgants and see an outcry of how evil America is. You can also see videos of the fanatics doing just the same and see an outcry for that. We live in the now, and right now these are sensitive subjects. Is that so hard to understand?

In a WW2 video game that guy with the US flag on his shoulder is just another joe. A war from long ago involving people you don't know. Civil war games, or even those of ancient civilizations have zero emotional effect on people. In games depicting current conflicts that vid of an IED destroying a US vehicle involved your brother, your best friend, maybe even your father. It sounds sappy I know, but you have to understand that is what makes this a hot topic. I mean I can hop in PR and do some mindless killing of the opposing forces with no problem. Its a game. Basically pitting your team and tactics against someone elses team and their tactics. No different then playing a game of chess. However, when you start assigning real life names and faces to things, not to mention real life ideology and politics, the video of a game becomes something more. Something that in such a short time, has not allowed us to no longer be emotionally attached to it.

Consider your reply to this topic: http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14861

depicting a video reenactment of the death of insurgents (though some people say they were civilians)

Determined wrote:Too funny

I find this sort of ironic.

What if I was Iraqi, and that was my brother dieing, and you say that the death of my brother is "too funny". That would be offensive to me, no?

You guys have to see that everything is offensive to somebody, and if we stopped ourselves becuase of it, then there would be nothing.

By the way, nice gaming with you last Sunday, it was very fun.

GeZe wrote:Consider your reply to this topic: http://realitymod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14861

depicting a video reenactment of the death of insurgents (though some people say they were civilians)



I find this sort of ironic.

What if I was Iraqi, and that was my brother dieing, and you say that the death of my brother is "too funny". That would be offensive to me, no?

By the way, nice gaming with you last Sunday, it was very fun.

Your taking that out of context. What was "too funny" to me jackass was that someone sits around and recreates these real life scenes in video games. Now instead of being a forum sniper do you have anything interesting to add to my post in this thread?

Nobody gets offended by US troops getting hammered by the Germans in vids of certain games. Take Company of Heroes for example. Time heals all wounds. Right now we are picking on a very fresh wound.

People aren't, or rather can't, use WWII games as propaganda to support the Nazi party or Hitler. Oh, and go ahead and wear a Swastika and walk around in almost any country, watch the dirty looks and possible punches thrown your way.

You are completely ignoring the way some videos are portrayed. If its a video of in-game footage with Germans fighting Americans, then no it isn't offensive. Why? Because it is obviously just showing the game.

When someone makes a video of Project Reality with music used in real-life terrorist propaganda videos, followed by footage that trys to recreate those same images, then it becomes offensive. It is a game, yes, but that is the point. What kind of person would use a game to recreate terrorist propaganda videos? The game is meant to be entertainment, but some people can and do go too far. I'm not saying this particular video did that, but you can understand what I am getting at.

Making fun, or calling people who take offense to virtual representations of real-life acts stupid or moronic, is as ridiculous as the video made. It may be "just a game", but that doesn't mean it can't be turned into something other then entertainment.

Granted, I don't think this video, or any PR video so far, has set out to be a terrorist propaganda video.

'[-doseph- wrote:']People aren't, or rather can't, use WWII games as propaganda to support the Nazi party or Hitler. Oh, and go ahead and wear a Swastika and walk around in almost any country, watch the dirty looks and possible punches thrown your way.

You are completely ignoring the way some videos are portrayed. If its a video of in-game footage with Germans fighting Americans, then no it isn't offensive. Why? Because it is obviously just showing the game.

When someone makes a video of Project Reality with music used in real-life terrorist propaganda videos, followed by footage that trys to recreate those same images, then it becomes offensive. It is a game, yes, but that is the point. What kind of person would use a game to recreate terrorist propaganda videos? The game is meant to be entertainment, but some people can and do go too far. I'm not saying this particular video did that, but you can understand what I am getting at.

Making fun, or calling people who take offense to virtual representations of real-life acts stupid or moronic, is as ridiculous as the video made. It may be "just a game", but that doesn't mean it can't be turned into something other then entertainment.

Granted, I don't think this video, or any PR video so far, has set out to be a terrorist propaganda video.

So Project Reality the mod is offensive? The developers have tried to make a game that recreates wars and battles.

Desertfox wrote:So Project Reality the mod is offensive? The developers have tried to make a game that recreates wars and battles.

Words, meet wall.


You missed doseph's entire point. He said the game is fine. Its making a video with deliberate terrorist overtones thats offensive.

If someone in 1943 took footage of blown up Sherman tanks, displayed the Nazi flag, said "brought to you by your friendly neighborhood Stosstruppen", and set said video to "Panzerlied", would that be acceptable? Of course not.

OldSchoolSoldier wrote:I like both of the videos. Please do not call all mujahideen "terrorsts". They are well within their rights to defend their own countries from invaders.

If you said don't call insurgents terrorists, you may, arguably, have a point, if said insurgents didn't employ terrorist tactics like they do in real life. However, mujahideen, religious warriors, are undoubtedly and unashamedly terrorists.

Outlaw289 wrote:Words, meet wall.


You missed doseph's entire point. He said the game is fine. Its making a video with deliberate terrorist overtones thats offensive.

If someone in 1943 took footage of blown up Sherman tanks, displayed the Nazi flag, said "brought to you by your friendly neighborhood Stosstruppen", and set said video to "Panzerlied", would that be acceptable? Of course not.

Yes, but this game has deliberate realism of modern wars, and in these modern war's there are IED's and there is killing.

Desertfox wrote:Yes, but this game has deliberate realism of modern wars, and in these modern war's there are IED's and there is killing.

What point about NOT OBJECTING to the content in Project Reality don't you understand. I repeatedly state I found the inclusion of the Shura council and mujahideen themes in Silens's profile and video to be offensive, not the videogame IEDs.

Outlaw289 wrote:What point about NOT OBJECTING to the content in Project Reality don't you understand. I repeatedly state I found the inclusion of the Shura council and mujahideen themes in Silens's profile and video to be offensive, not the videogame IEDs.

I was replying to what you said in my quote.

Whatever. Maybe, because its the internet, I'm not coming across right, or maybe too rude. I feel like I'm saying the same thing over and over.

Guys seriously...... shut up and play its idiots like this that are deliberately sturring you up its propaganda. Looks what its doing it turning everyone against one another.

Yes, but this game has deliberate realism of modern wars, and in these modern war's there are IED's and there is killing.

Project Reality is a game representing modern-era and current real-world ware-fare situations, or attempts to do so. There is nothing wrong with that, because it is technically a loose representation of real world warefare. They aren't called "Al Qaeda" but rather Insurgents. We can't exactly cut reporters heads off or suicide-bomb hotels with innocent women and children in them now can we?

IEDs aren't the problem here. IED's have been around long before the Iraq war. The problem is presentation, how others would view a film like this. Project Reality is entertainment, but someone can easily turn that entertainment into very offensive material.

The same applies in real-world aspects. Some comedians use racial jokes to be funny, and most intelligent people do not mind as they realize this is a form of entertainment and not meant to be taken seriously. But that same line meant as a joke could easily be used to insult people. Presentation.

Also, just because this mod attempts to be as realistic as possible, it is still restricted in what it can add. For example, in WWII games can you play as a Gestapo and murder jews and other racial minorities? No.

The same applies here, we will not be able to suicide-bomb hotels full of innocent people or cut reporters heads off - ever. The game would be shut down faster then you could say "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

This is a realism mod, and there is nothing wrong with that. But don't be so blind into thinking that you can't offend someone with a virtual representation of real world material.

Guys seriously...... shut up and play its idiots like this that are deliberately sturring you up its propaganda. Looks what its doing it turning everyone against one another.

I agree with you. I think **** Chaney would want me to go play on 24/7 Al Basrah right now.

this has gone way off topic.

Locked......again.