Squad Leader Wepon

[DOAW]

Eddie Baker']Maybe it's like numismatics, and it makes it more valuable to a collector?

Not after the Marines get done beating the **** out of it, it won't be. Unless said collector doesn't mind a non-functioning rifle.

[WNxKenwayy]

Huh, thats weird. I did some research, and it would appear that you are correct. The "m4" I carried in Iraq was definitely 3 rd burst, but I'm almost positive that it was stamped m4a1. I guess my memory is playing tricks on me.

Yeah I know what you mean. Buddy in my platoon had his stamped M4A1 as well. Near as we could tell it was some throw back from one of the groups that got refurbished and had the trigger mechanism replaced with one from a regular M4.

[DOAW]

Well that makes me feel better. It's always nice to have some confirmation that my brain cells aren't dying at an alarming rate.

[SGT.JOKER]

ok i did some playing at the TG server last night using the riflemen kit and the spec ops kit to get a feel for what you all were talking about, yes the
M16 does have more accuracy to farther distances and hits a little harder than the M4, but the M16 isnt the best choice for certin medium and close range targets (thats what was happening the majority of the night).
now to the M4, it can be just as deadly at long ranges, just takes a few more rounds but if your a good shot you should have no problem, and the M4 was definatly better (to me) at medium and short range's. so both weapons have good points and bad points (lets thank god PR doesnt make the weapons jam lol ) but its up to the people who desighn the kits to say witch weapon they'd rather have in the officer kit....even though im still rooting for the M4

[Bob_Marley]

Ok...

1. The M4A1, the current SF weapon for the USMC in PR, would not be the Squad leader weapon for any of the current or known to be planned factions. The US military does not issue assault rifles capable of unrestricted full automatic fire to regular units, only to special forces.

2. As such, the carbine would be the M4 which has none of its positive aspects modeled in PR. It would be, essentially, a worse M16A2/A4 as at least 1 of the 2 advantages of the M4A1 currently in game would be lost, full auto, and the other, the Aimpoint sight would probubly be lost to as, in all likelyhood, would have a ACOG sight (as planned for 0.7, iirc), which would put the user at a disadvantage for close quarters.

3. The US Army faction will have M4 carbines all round. The Marines are noted in RL for keeping their full length rifles rather than following suit. As such, imo, they should stay with their rifles in PR for all but tank crews and Special forces, who should get the M4 and M4A1 respectivly.

[Long Bow]

I think we can all agree that good SL's are what make this game succeed or fail. I think we can all agree that alot of less experienced players gravitate towards the Spec Ops for the M4. Usually less experienced players don't make the best SL. If the SL gets the M4, more people will be quick to create a squad just to get the M4 (even though it won't be an M4a1). I don't like this possibility.

[robbo]

Ok...

1. The M4A1, the current SF weapon for the USMC in PR, would not be the Squad leader weapon for any of the current or known to be planned factions. The US military does not issue assault rifles capable of unrestricted full automatic fire to regular units, only to special forces.

Well isnt that a shitter, why is that?
Ive heard in Vietnam US soldiers used to waste alot of their ammo on bushes blowing in the wind.

[Hardtman]

Well isnt that a shitter, why is that?
Ive heard in Vietnam US soldiers used to waste alot of their ammo on bushes blowing in the wind.

I'm wondering why quite a lot armies are capable of teching their soldiers to leave full auto to the MGs as long as it is not definitely required and the US Forces don't seem to be able to accomplish this.

And one short offtopic-shot:
Is a P90 realistic for MEC? I mean, G3 is alright,since it is produced right there, but I only know of the P90 produced in Belgium by FN(Fabrique Nationale).
So wouldn't a smg/short weapon which is produced in the Middle east more logical? I don't know exactly what is produced there,but i think another gun of the H&K family seems to be most probable.

[Bob_Marley]

The P90 is used on the Arabian peninsula (where, in all probublitiy the core of the MEC forces are based and come from), most notably by Saudi Arabia.

Well isnt that a shitter, why is that?
Ive heard in Vietnam US soldiers used to waste alot of their ammo on bushes blowing in the wind.

From what I understand thats one of the reasons. Inexperience troops would panic, flip their selectors round to auto and hold down the trigger till the rifle went "click". This bad because the panicked soldier probubly hasn't hit anything, now has to reload and has just wasted 20 or 30 rounds of ammunition in a matter of seconds, ammunition that costs money. Restricting the rifles to 3 round bursts means that there is higher hit probublity, less waste of ammunition and doesn't leave people in the position of having an empty weapon from one pull of the trigger while still allowing multiple shots from one trigger pull where needed. This also brought back the Automatic Rifleman role in the post Vietnam era, first with H-bar M16s and then with the M249 to provide the squad with the core of its suppressing fire while the riflemen focussed on aimed shooting in semi auto, rather than having normal riflemen forced to provide the supressing fire.

Basically, its beacuse the US armed forces would rather you aimed and made shots count rather than wasting tax payer's money with useless full auto fire.

[daranz]

You know, America's Army has an M14 Mafia... We have the P90 Special Interest Group

[SGT.JOKER]

again it was just an idea, no need to shoot it down more than it already has

[KP]

Yeah, I think this is enough.

(P90 for MEC crewman)