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STORM-Mama wrote:"I'm so boooored with the USA!"

Okay, I can understand why the US get so much attention in game like this, just as much as I understand that the differences between US army and USMC are big enough to create a new faction.

Just don't turn PR into another "America's Army". Yanks deserves alot of attention, but not that much that we forget about the rest of the armies.
Judging from info on US army equipment there is, obviously, alot of work to be done here.

The PLA are in more need of fixes, in my opinion (the camo is outdated, they don't use the SA-7, etc.)

Indeed PLA is broken. The LAT and HAT kits need fixing!!! HAT for PLA is a joke, a RPG with a Skorpion..... While LAT gets RPG with SKS/ Seriously WTF...

For PLA not for militia man ... PLA = china

Haha, one day people whine that the Devs would turn PR into a british mod, now they complain about 'too much US'.

The amount of horrible, incorrect information in this thread makes Baby Jesus want to cry.

Lets see where I can start...

billdan wrote:
Their missions are different: Marines=power projection from the sea & "quick-reaction force" (they're on ships, duh) while Army=long-term, drawn out land conflicts with its larger numbers and logistical capabilities. The Marines don't have non-SF airborne grunts like the 101st or 82nd. Marines can win battles, but Soldiers (and maybe Airmen) win wars. However, I think the two branches will grow more similar to each other because of the similar fighting both must conduct in Iraq/Afghanistan.

The first responders to a conflict are generally a tie between the ready unit of the 82nd Airborne and the BLT of the MEU in that particular region. Depends on location. This is of course discounting Special Forces.


I want to cry. Seriously. This was one of the more useless posts in PR History.

1. Marines are not SF Soldiers. They are a motivated amphibious army. They conduct many of the same missions as the Army.

2. "I'd LOVE to see a U.S. Army Ranger go one on one in a firefight against a U.S. Marine."

From a technical standpoint, the Ranger would probably win. On average a Ranger is more experienced, better trained and in better shape than the average Marine.

3. "The U.S. Army has Rangers/Delta Force...

The USMC has the 22nd M.E.U. /Force Recon!"

This is where you lost all credibility.

Army Special Ops includes Rangers and 1st SFOD-D, yes. It also includes US Army Special Forces (aka Green Berets)

Force Recon is a type of Special Forces, I guess. Its reconnasiance based but recently has been leaning back toward its roots of infantry and getting away from the "high-speed" hollywood ****.

The 22nd MEU is not a Special Operations Force. It is a Marine Expeditionary Unit. Each MEF operates a few MEUs (1st MEF-> 11th, 13th, 15th MEUs in Pendleton, 2nd MEF -> 22nd, 24th, 26th MEUs in Lejeune, 3rd MEF 31st MEU out of Okinawa).

Yes, MEUs are Special Operations Capable, essentially meaning MARSOC can toss some guys from a MSOB over and they can conduct a mission. But a MEU is based off of an infantry battalion and supporting units, including generally a platoon of tanks, some armor, appropriate support troops and a mixed squadron of helos and jets.


4. "ON THE IMPORTANT SIDE,why does it say,M4 (not the automatic rifle) ?
is it suppossed to be automatic carbine? lol

Because U.S. Army use the full auto capable M4."

Again, no.

The US Army transitioned to the M4 Carbine, the Carbine of the M16. It is a safe-single-burst weapon like the M16A2/A4. The M4A1 is used by various Special Forces and has full auto capability.

agentscar wrote:ALSO,The Army doesn't have MCMAP (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) do they?

No, they have their Combatives Program. Its Martial Arts.

Skodz wrote:In Brief, USMC is the fast-first-offensive branch of the US military.

Whoever is closest. Often its the MEU described above, but at other times the 82nd Airborne or Rangers are deployed, such as during Desert Shield.

This concludes today's Armchair General Session. Have a nice day.

lol bosco, i was thinking the same thing. And viper is right on everything above. And to make everyone clear:

1st SFOD-D= Delta Force, 160th SOAR and several other SF units.

Do we have an M1A1 in game? No. So whos wrong?

I don't know. All I know is that in Iraq today April 24, 2008 the United States Marines are fighting side by side the M1A1 Abrams. And the USI mod team has a M1A1 Abrams. There part of BSS, so why dont we dont we get it from them in some sort of trade.

Apparently Rambo Hunter have already done the ACU:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-co ... rs-23.html


Why not use that one?

STORM-Mama wrote:Apparently Rambo Hunter have already done the ACU:

https://www.realitymod.com/forum/f66-co ... rs-23.html


Why not use that one?

Dont know whos they're using for sure, but I know Spush also did some, and someone else. There are plenty of versions out there and the DEV team is already aware of them

as much as i love strykers, kiowas and M4s...

ACU = EEEUUGGGHHHHHHH!!!!

MARPAT, CADPAT, even the PLA's Type 07 are all far better examples of digital camoflage that can blend in environments that consist of something other than moss covered marble.

why cant the army just suck up and buy the liscensing for multicam instead?

LtSoucy wrote:lol bosco, i was thinking the same thing. And viper is right on everything above. And to make everyone clear:

1st SFOD-D= Delta Force, 160th SOAR and several other SF units.




I don't know. All I know is that in Iraq today April 24, 2008 the United States Marines are fighting side by side the M1A1 Abrams. And the USI mod team has a M1A1 Abrams. There part of BSS, so why dont we dont we get it from them in some sort of trade.

1st SFOD-D is the official unit name of Delta Force. 160th SOAR isnt part of it.

1st SFOD-D, 160th SOAR, 75th Ranger Regiment and the Green Berets all fall under ARSOC and thus SOCOM.

WRT Abrams:

Seeing as though the current Abrams in-game looks like the neutered ******* child of an M1A1, doesnt really matter in-game. The US Army uses the M1A2 SEP, M1A2, and M1A1. USMC uses the M1A1 and the M1A1 HA (HA is the upgrade that brought army tanks to A2)

'[R-PUB wrote:bosco;661185']Haha, one day people whine that the Devs would turn PR into a british mod, now they complain about 'too much US'.

Yeah, duh..


all we need is the Dutch!


Oh-my-dog-z0rz-bbq-sauce-pwnz0rz.


If the Us army really adds something new to the game, or something what feels like Oeh-oh-my-dog-z0rz-extra.. and something more realystic than having only the USMC-troopies fighting the whole war.. well.. than Why are we all complaining?!


they should call all the US army-a-like-thingys;

"The Presidential Army of the United States of America"

Or just The PAUSA.


btw.

USMC -> C -> Corps -> Part of the bigger thing -> The bigger thing -> US army.

It's all a part of the bigger picture.

Ok, I don't know what to say, but be aware of teh cookiez underneath your bed.

Viper5 wrote:1st SFOD-D is the official unit name of Delta Force. 160th SOAR isnt part of it.

1st SFOD-D, 160th SOAR, 75th Ranger Regiment and the Green Berets all fall under ARSOC and thus SOCOM.

WRT Abrams:

Seeing as though the current Abrams in-game looks like the neutered ******* child of an M1A1, doesnt really matter in-game. The US Army uses the M1A2 SEP, M1A2, and M1A1. USMC uses the M1A1 and the M1A1 HA (HA is the upgrade that brought army tanks to A2)

viper by my SFOD comment I ment to say that there almost always operating togather.

LOL,that was funny,someone put,look at them wearing that tight ACU MARPAT Digital camo,lol...Now that's dumb,lol.

And why am I being laughed at for my "U.S. Army use full auto capable M4" comment...I know people in Army that use them,lol.

Viper5 wrote:The amount of horrible, incorrect information in this thread makes Baby Jesus want to cry.

Lets see where I can start...



The first responders to a conflict are generally a tie between the ready unit of the 82nd Airborne and the BLT of the MEU in that particular region. Depends on location. This is of course discounting Special Forces.


I want to cry. Seriously. This was one of the more useless posts in PR History.

1. Marines are not SF Soldiers. They are a motivated amphibious army. They conduct many of the same missions as the Army.

2. "I'd LOVE to see a U.S. Army Ranger go one on one in a firefight against a U.S. Marine."

From a technical standpoint, the Ranger would probably win. On average a Ranger is more experienced, better trained and in better shape than the average Marine.

3. "The U.S. Army has Rangers/Delta Force...

The USMC has the 22nd M.E.U. /Force Recon!"

This is where you lost all credibility.

Army Special Ops includes Rangers and 1st SFOD-D, yes. It also includes US Army Special Forces (aka Green Berets)

Force Recon is a type of Special Forces, I guess. Its reconnasiance based but recently has been leaning back toward its roots of infantry and getting away from the "high-speed" hollywood ****.

The 22nd MEU is not a Special Operations Force. It is a Marine Expeditionary Unit. Each MEF operates a few MEUs (1st MEF-> 11th, 13th, 15th MEUs in Pendleton, 2nd MEF -> 22nd, 24th, 26th MEUs in Lejeune, 3rd MEF 31st MEU out of Okinawa).

Yes, MEUs are Special Operations Capable, essentially meaning MARSOC can toss some guys from a MSOB over and they can conduct a mission. But a MEU is based off of an infantry battalion and supporting units, including generally a platoon of tanks, some armor, appropriate support troops and a mixed squadron of helos and jets.


4. "ON THE IMPORTANT SIDE,why does it say,M4 (not the automatic rifle) ?
is it suppossed to be automatic carbine? lol

Because U.S. Army use the full auto capable M4."

Again, no.

The US Army transitioned to the M4 Carbine, the Carbine of the M16. It is a safe-single-burst weapon like the M16A2/A4. The M4A1 is used by various Special Forces and has full auto capability.



No, they have their Combatives Program. Its Martial Arts.



Whoever is closest. Often its the MEU described above, but at other times the 82nd Airborne or Rangers are deployed, such as during Desert Shield.

This concludes today's Armchair General Session. Have a nice day.

I suppose thats you in your sig.. Fitting.

Look, armchair commando, don't criticize someone for the worse post in PR history if your gonna say **** like I guess when trying to be factual.

I'll begin with Combatives. The Army combatives program, which is frequently trained at my unit, teaches a mixture of martial arts. This guy here (from my company, platoon, and squad) can be seen winning the All Army Combatives Competiton. We train on this stuff all the time, it's not hit on too big at basic, but once you get to Ranger BN you are getting balled up all the time.

Most rapidly deployable force, maybe you need to read of on your Ranger Standards...

"On any given day, one Ranger Battalion is on
Ready Reaction Force 1 with the requirement to be
"wheels up" within 18 hours of notification.
Additionally, one rifle company with battalion
command and control can deploy in 9 hours. The
Regimental Headquarters remains on RRF1 at all times.
RRF1 rotates between the three battalions normally
in 13 week periods. While on RRF1, the designated
battalion is prohibited from conducting any off post
training, deployments for training, etc., as they
would be unable to meet the required deployment time
standards. The Ranger Regiment can deploy in any
number of ways. The force can deploy directly from
home station to the area of operations. More often,
the force deploys to an Intermediate Staging Base in
CONUS, or OCONUS to link-up with attachments, rest,
plan, rehearse, etc. before conducting operations.
METT-T (emphasis on time and distance to the area of
operations) determines how the force will deploy."

Info found here and in my Ranger Standards hand book.

You missed quite a few units that fall under SOCOM...

Also, the M4 CAN fire full auto, but the bolt group cannot handle the extreme stress from firing on fa, thus, the start cluster typically fractures. Furthermore, IRL, there isnt a respawn waiting for me when I winchester on ammo because I'm unloading on FA, It's more economical, accurate, and weapon safe to fire on semi auto.

I would say that was your arm chair commando schooling, but you took care of that, and I am NO arm chair commando. You want some information, ask me, don't talk out of your ***, especially you zit faced teens who have watched BHD 8 times and read Eric Hanleys Delta Force.

Morphene wrote:I suppose thats you in your sig.. Fitting.

no no no, that would be rhino

Guys, can it. We all know that the US will have basically what they have in real life.

Okita

Eddiereyes909 wrote:no no no, that would be rhino

ye, viper just finds me so sexy he has to have bunch of pics me in his sig

Morphene wrote:
Also, the M4 CAN fire full auto, but the bolt group cannot handle the extreme stress from firing on fa, thus, the start cluster typically fractures. Furthermore, IRL, there isnt a respawn waiting for me when I winchester on ammo because I'm unloading on FA, It's more economical, accurate, and weapon safe to fire on full auto.

Cherries.

Unless im reading that wrong you contradicted yourself there.

Also, so what your saying is that ALL or at least most regular army soldiers get issued full auto M4(A1)? And that you are taught or at least you determined that firing on full auto is better that firing in single?

ironcomatose wrote:Unless im reading that wrong you contradicted yourself there.

Also, so what your saying is that ALL or at least most regular army soldiers get issued full auto M4(A1)? And that you are taught or at least you determined that firing on full auto is better that firing in single?

I meant to say semi auto in the end there, sorry for the confusion.

And ALL, I mean ALL soldiers are taught to fire on semi auto, for the reasons I described.

I'll can it,for Okita...But,with all the active duty military friends I know,they could prove alot of what's said here wrong...Oh Well.