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Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-03 18:09
by Colt556
@bsurd wrote:i agree with kind of breaks to.

But sry colt, but your comments a a little bit... Dont know the word now. But if there is a jet on your ***, dont try to land. think what happend if you get it landed. The e jet turns, comes back and blow you away on the runway/ground...

And if you say you cant get away from an AAV, your are not a good pilot.

Its hard to fly, and land, thats all. So train it.

Last time i played we have an a 10 pilot on kashan who knows his job. And with the help of the team (mark everything you see) he takes out everything. And i mean everything! Inf, e jets, e ground attack jets, enemy tanks and e aav...As pilot you need a good team on the ground.

I for myself loaded the training mod and spent nights alone on a map and the only thing i trained is land, start again, land and so on. Next i trained is how to take out the targets very quickly and how to attack them the best way. (I make a 10 training @ the moment)

And i dont think in RL a jet Pilot try´s to land under so hot conditions you are talking about.

Think what happend if you crash a fighter plane on an airport... Thats a big boom and more then the pilot who dies...

And i for myself dont shot all my ammo and then go rearm. I ever hold a rocket back so if i get attacked bye a landing sequence, i go full trottle and back in fight... And then when all is clear i land ...

Kind of breaks would be nice, but i see such good pilots out there they dont need it...so it is possible to be the overkiller in a jet without changes.
Ugh, you people don't know the meaning of examples, do ya? For the last friggen time, those were just possible scenerios for why a pilot might not be able to land. They aren't anything I've ever experianced. I know how to fly, I know how to kill the enemy, and I know how to land. I am just saying for whatever reason there may be, sometimes people can come in a little hot. And it would be nice to have a brake to slow you down.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-03 19:06
by x.trEm*e
if sometimes ppl come in a little hot, I suggest to implement not the brakes but a fresh Coca Cola in the cockpit...
It would be nice if you had a break that locked up your wheels and just slowed you down drasticly so you could land without needing perfect precision. Would also be handy for "combat landings" nothing worse then trying to land with an enemy jet lurking about.
man get used to it, no jet is lurking, youre just uncarefull... and precision, thats what PR about, precision in shooting, teamwork, tactics, armor, cas and so on...
and go fly some jet simulation, no plane has "from 150-0 kts TAS in 3 secs"-brake

anyway I wonder why ppl keep suggesting things out of priority and only that detail fine tuning, everything is being suggested for now
the DEVS will need another 2 years to do all the work that is up, ballistics, game bugs, overall improvements, normal realism, testing...
:shrk: yellow DEV cs gray suggester

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-03 20:50
by Colt556
x.trEm*e wrote:if sometimes ppl come in a little hot, I suggest to implement not the brakes but a fresh Coca Cola in the cockpit...

man get used to it, no jet is lurking, youre just uncarefull... and precision, thats what PR about, precision in shooting, teamwork, tactics, armor, cas and so on...
and go fly some jet simulation, no plane has "from 150-0 kts TAS in 3 secs"-brake

anyway I wonder why ppl keep suggesting things out of priority and only that detail fine tuning, everything is being suggested for now
the DEVS will need another 2 years to do all the work that is up, ballistics, game bugs, overall improvements, normal realism, testing...
:shrk: yellow DEV cs gray suggester
Ugh, I'm sick of people assuming I'm just some noob who can't land. Honestly, I'm plenty carefull, that's why I never have any problems landing. Really though, noone bothers to read that it was just EXAMPLES, not actual things that happened. Regardless, I said what I need to say and the ignorance in this thread is getting on my nerves so I'ma just leave before I do something rash.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-03 22:59
by Chanvlan
Hoesnt to god this is getting annoying, COLT AND I CAN BOTH FREAKING LAND FOR CHRIST SAKE! it just that for those noobs and for us and EVERYONE FAKING ELSE! a brake would be a lovely little implement to help us slow down, and im sure its not unrealistic as i see planes everyday using brakes. That is all.

No more replies stating THAT WE CANT LAND CAUSE WE CAN DAMMIT!!!

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-04 00:20
by Waaah_Wah
Ffs... There are brakes in PR already.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-04 01:07
by Katarn
I suppose we could shorten the landing distances. But that's up to CAS_117.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-04 01:14
by Colt556
[R-DEV]Katarn wrote:I suppose we could shorten the landing distances. But that's up to CAS_117.
Only responding cuz it's a dev. But, that seems like a good idea. Since we can't reasonably lengthen the runways to realistic lengths, we could just shorten everything to the same degree. So a jets landing distance in relation to the runway would just be a fraction of it's real life counter-part.

The only problem I could forsee with such an idea, is that would then make any flat area a possible landing zone for the jet. Which would seem a bit odd. But then in counter to that, what nutjob pilot would be landing anywhere other then the runway, even if he could? So yeah, it'd be up to you guys to determine whether it'd be worth it or not.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-04 09:23
by Chanvlan
[R-DEV]Katarn wrote:I suppose we could shorten the landing distances. But that's up to CAS_117.
Finnally a post that acctually stays on topic and is helpful.

Thanks mate for the suggestion

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 00:19
by Chanvlan
so is anyone thinking on this idea or is it dead?

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 04:02
by sidekicksol
I would say stop whining. You may not be noobs but if your trying to land in these situations your pretty freakin close.

Project REALITY.

#1 There is plenty of room to land with a proper procedure. You have admitted this.
#2 People are SUPPOSED to train before they fly a 20 minute respawn asset. Adding a brake makes them train less. Enjoy the crashing!
#3 IRL people don't land with a jet on their tail, and neither should you. You have a better chance trying to evade than trying to slow to 600 to hit an airstrip while missles shoot up your tailpipes.
#4 IRL Jets go off on their own and don't need assistance? LOL!!!! Shall we REALLY go into this?
#5 Your making this seem way harder than it should be. I landed on my 6th try ever landing, which is no record, but it goes to show you this isn't that hard. For Qin - If you can't land an A-10 here, fly the typhoon. If you can't fly the Typhoon, don't be flying. Kashan - Do what I do. Scoot right over the top of that fence and hit the VERY beginning of the runway. Youll have another quarter left to do whatever you want by the time you've stopped.

No brakes are needed other than what we have. And no, you can use those effectively at 400. I have done it before.

Wall of text over.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 05:18
by Chanvlan
sidekicksol wrote:I would say stop whining. You may not be noobs but if your trying to land in these situations your pretty freakin close.

Project REALITY.

#1 There is plenty of room to land with a proper procedure. You have admitted this.
#2 People are SUPPOSED to train before they fly a 20 minute respawn asset. Adding a brake makes them train less. Enjoy the crashing!
#3 IRL people don't land with a jet on their tail, and neither should you. You have a better chance trying to evade than trying to slow to 600 to hit an airstrip while missles shoot up your tailpipes.
#4 IRL Jets go off on their own and don't need assistance? LOL!!!! Shall we REALLY go into this?
#5 Your making this seem way harder than it should be. I landed on my 6th try ever landing, which is no record, but it goes to show you this isn't that hard. For Qin - If you can't land an A-10 here, fly the typhoon. If you can't fly the Typhoon, don't be flying. Kashan - Do what I do. Scoot right over the top of that fence and hit the VERY beginning of the runway. Youll have another quarter left to do whatever you want by the time you've stopped.

No brakes are needed other than what we have. And no, you can use those effectively at 400. I have done it before.

Wall of text over.

Im sorry were not neardy freaking 15 yr olds who play the game non-stop ok some of us have lives, we just want something implemented to help us and EVERYBODY ELSE to land its not unrealistic cause of course jets wheels have brakes so why not input it?

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 05:31
by Colt556
I kinda chuckled at Side's post. It's quite obvious he didn't even read the thread, and some of his statements were kinda out there. Brakes making people train less? Lol..... Just cuz you'll stop a little faster wont help you in the least if you don't know how to land in the first place. Only the noobs wouldn't train because of this, and they're the same noobs who don't train anyways.

Oh well, I still liked the shorter landing distance idea. It just makes sense, if the runways are gonna be shorter, then the landing distances should be shorter. Either that, or you could just elongate the runways. I mean like My friend said, the only two maps with jets, Qin and Kash, are both plenty long enough to put a full length runway. No reason you can't.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 12:40
by sidekicksol
Longer runways - Good Idea. I fully support this idea.
Brakes - Bad Idea. We already have them and they work fine.

And Yes, I read all of this thread, although quickly.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 16:52
by Colt556
sidekicksol wrote:Longer runways - Good Idea. I fully support this idea.
Brakes - Bad Idea. We already have them and they work fine.

And Yes, I read all of this thread, although quickly.
Too quickly, as evident by your post. Also, there aren't breaks ingame. I've tested it, slowing down and pulling back on your joystick. It doesn't work. I didn't notice ANY slowdown, AT ALL. So yeah, breaks + longer runways would be nice, it'd make sure few people ever botch up a landing again. And from looking at people ingame and whatnot, it's the landings that get most of them.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 18:45
by Waaah_Wah
Ffs... Watch Rhinos vid and listen to what hes saying when he is landing.

There are brakes ingame and they work. I have no idea why they dont work for you, but when i press the "Arrow down" button (taxi backwards) my jet slows down pretty damn fast.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 18:50
by Colt556
Waaah_Wah wrote:Ffs... Watch Rhinos vid and listen to what hes saying when he is landing.

There are brakes ingame and they work. I have no idea why they dont work for you, but when i press the "Arrow down" button (taxi backwards) my jet slows down pretty damn fast.
When I land and pull back on my stick, nothing happens. I still go the same speed as allways. So yeah.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 20:55
by Waaah_Wah
Wich button do you use when you taxi the jet backwards?

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-08 21:06
by Colt556
Waaah_Wah wrote:Wich button do you use when you taxi the jet backwards?
I move my joystick forward, and backward to taxi.

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-09 00:01
by Waaah_Wah
Then pulling it back should work after you slow down to around 400. If you can taxi backwards, you can also use brakes ;)

Re: Plane/Jet Brakes

Posted: 2008-07-09 00:47
by Colt556
Waaah_Wah wrote:Then pulling it back should work after you slow down to around 400. If you can taxi backwards, you can also use brakes ;)
Done it, never noticed anything. I still stop the same speed whether I pull back or not.