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Posted: 2006-04-08 20:56
by Ghostrider
lonelyjew wrote:On the Israeli army addition thread I made there is a nice heated debate that just won't stop, even though it is off topic. So, I decided to make a thread here for this arguement.
So, should the MEC army and vehicles be changed?
I personally think so. Once example is there is no way, in real life, that Russia or India would sell the MEC T-90 tanks. Also, much of the other gear isn't exactly realistic for the MEC to have. I don't even think the MEC forces would have AK-101's but would either have AK-47's and/or 74's. Yes, the middle eastern nations have lots of money, but it's still nothing in comparison to the money that the U.S., England, or even Russia has to back it's millitary with. They would settle on the ak's above because they are cheep, reliable, and still very good weapons. Now, their special forces would be another story, they would have very good gear, but unless a seperate MEC special forces team was made up(not just a kit) this would be pointless.
To balance out the MEC in maps because of their weaker weapons and equipment, they would have many more tickets as well as more vehicles. For example, in Oman, the U.S. could be give 2 abrams and the MEC would get 4 T-72's, or maybe 2 T-72's as well as one challenger 2 that Oman bought from england.
The T-72's could be weaker in armor, in their weapon, and their zoom, but their numbers would ballance them out.
I can go on, but I think I'll go play oblivion, so you guys duke it out.
You must realize that the scope of the Mod for it to be as realistic as possible
without damaging gameplay. How would you like to be on a side that, no matter the strat used or the level of teamplay, is destine to loose.
Let's face it, if you get players of the same skill, the game will
not be balanced and that's not the point of the mod. As much as we're trying to make the Mod more realistic, it will never loose much of the original arcade style gameplay it had.
Hope this portrays a clearer pic.
-Ghostrider
Posted: 2006-04-08 21:00
by Cerberus
The MEC needs more AKS-74U's or AK-74s w/ optics.
Posted: 2006-04-08 22:15
by Army Musician
Has anyone here played Desert Combat/ Desert Combat Extended?
I think a similar storyline. Here is my idea story:
July 20th 2006
A few hours ago North Korea launched an un-provoked attack on a British Base in Burma. An emergency meeting was held at the UN HQ in brussels. Talks became increasingly desperate as more reports of attacks were coming in, this time by Iraqi forces on American Bases in the Middle East. After hard talks Britain and America (coalition) declared on North Korea and Iraq. The War had begun.
A few months on, the battlefields spread across Europe, Middle East, Africa and the Far East, Bringing France and Germany into the Coalition. While Japan and China came in for the opposition.
3 years later around 30 million people had been killed. Battles raged on and casualites continued to rise. By 14th April 2012 most of the area captured by the opposition in 2006/07 had be retaken. On april 20th Iraq and China surrendered unconditionally to the Coalition. While the North Korean Leadership crumbles in the pressure of iminant defeat. With the British Commonwealth forces, French and Germans coming in from the West and the Americans coming in from the East. On the 30th April 2012. The North Koreans and Japanese surrender unconditionally to the Coalition. At cost of 70million deaths the war finally over.
Posted: 2006-04-08 22:17
by six7
the mec vod needs to be immune to anything below .30 rounds...
Posted: 2006-04-08 22:39
by [T]Terranova7
'[R-DEV wrote:Ghostrider']You must realize that the scope of the Mod for it to be as realistic as possible without damaging gameplay. How would you like to be on a side that, no matter the strat used or the level of teamplay, is destine to loose.
Let's face it, if you get players of the same skill, the game will not be balanced and that's not the point of the mod. As much as we're trying to make the Mod more realistic, it will never loose much of the original arcade style gameplay it had.
Hope this portrays a clearer pic.
-Ghostrider
A good point. Sorta supports my standpoint. The MEC, although fictional makes for better gameplay. No one wants to play the side with obsolete equipment. Otherwise PR would be making another U.S/U.K beatdown mod on some third world middle-east nation. Its an old concept that I'm personally sick seeing. I think BF2 did something slightly more creative with the MEC than create the next Desert Combat style game.
The MEC should stay.
Posted: 2006-04-08 23:25
by Grey_Ghost
MEC is not realistic, so why does the weaponry they possess have to be plausible in reality? Why not just give them all the LATEST Russian equipment? They're already using T-90's, so why stop there? Just pretend Russia is "Sympathetic to their cause", we don't have to make up a real world reason!
Just replace the Chinese Assault Class weapon with something not of Russian origin, then finalize the dedicated AT Kits main weapon, and we will have 3 professional armies that are totally different from each other.
Posted: 2006-04-09 01:58
by Zepheris Casull
for gameplay wise, i agree that they need to be on par with the US, although i personally think the one who needs the most help is the chinesse. Let the developer add the hardware, and the community can cook up an excuse to justify their addition.
(if it doesn't make sense, we'll write a whole essay on the turn of event that leads to it if we have to in order to make sense of it)
more hardware, more toys to blow things up with, we'll think of the reason to add them after that.
Posted: 2006-04-09 02:27
by Cerberus
All this talk about MEC equipment has reminded me about the Battle of 73 Eastings. You know what that means? We need some big ol' tank battles in the wide open desert (and maybe Gobi desert in China... that's the Chinese one, right?)
Posted: 2006-04-09 02:36
by Pence
I have another one.
Southern Russian Coallition?
Georgia, Azerbijan and Arminia take over Turkey. They are powerd forward with a new army, fully equiped in secrecy and working together under one flag.
Useing the latest Russian hardware and Mercenry Russian commando units they have one goal in mind; the rebirth of the USSR. As such -- Russia sells the weapons that are needed and sits on a political blanket. The US and UK have formed a full time Coallition and after the UN fails whatever they are suposed to do (as usual) the war comences.
Posted: 2006-04-09 05:04
by Cerberus
I heard in some engagements in Vietnam, LRRPs had K
ratios of 400:1
US could have one ticket, Chinese could have 400
Posted: 2006-04-09 05:39
by Sgt. Jarvis
Well, I think they should have shit added like the T-72, chances are they'd have lots of those laying around and would atleast use them. You would think they would buy some AK-101s but still have AK-47s in stock, and their main AT weapon would more than likely be RPGs. They might have BMPs, but really, you cannot go and make them sucky, unless you truely want a mod that is a total flop. I'm not sure though, about Russia selling T-90s to MEC, that would be one way to make alot of money, though Russia would probably get heat from the USA and coalition nations. The Chinese already have a tank, so it's not like China could give the MEC T-90s from their neighbor above. The Mi-24 hind is missing, and would be neat to see some rockets or missiles on the MEC transport helicopter. But the AK-47 would be good to have in MEC hands, though the AK-101 would also see action along side it.
Edit*** Also I beleive it is unfair to have just more tickets, as the gameplay would still be lopsided and they would still loose. Plus individual players on the sucky team would not be able to have sufficient scores to compete with USMC players.
Posted: 2006-04-09 08:36
by Zepheris Casull
changing ticket pool works to an extent to balance it, but gameplay wise it is a chore to the players on the weaker team despite the abundant of ticket pool.
let's face it, ppl who play FPS no matter how tactical, no matter how much it tries to become as close as they can to realism, expect to shoot and kill the other side. Having them die multiple times in a row before they can kill the enemy with sheer tenacity and willpower is a quick way to discourage them from playing the side.
So ticket pool adjustment can balance it, yes... but to prevent ppl from giving up playing a side and to prevent favourite sides from popping up, all the sides should be fun to play with. To ensure that, the hardware gap cannot be too wide between the 2 side even though this completely contradicts the reality of these hardwares.
Posted: 2006-04-09 11:50
by Grey_Ghost
We need to stop rationalizing the MEC, they aren't rational. Just give all 3 factions Top Notch equipment and be done with it. We don't need them using AK-47's and old Tanks!
Pence
As for adding in a Russian based army with MEC still around doesn't that just seem redundant equipment wise? Though it really wouldn't be adding in anything new faction wise, I suppose the maps could be very interesting.
Posted: 2006-04-09 17:03
by [T]Terranova7
As stated. An abundant ticket count really isn't going to do much in terms of gameplay.
Equipment wise, I don't think the AK-47 is much of a degrade. I mean I would like to see the MEC with new equipment, but alongside with some older reliable equipment. Personally I think the MEC should use the AK-47's 7.62 rounds which is much more lethal than the AK-101. The T-72 is old, however there are numerous and I mean numerous upgrades that can be purchased to make the tank seem a little bit better. I think with the MEC we can be creative with their variety. Their arsenal can consist of everything from &-72s to T-90s, AK-47s to the AK-100 seris of weapons etc.
Posted: 2006-04-09 20:20
by Sgt. Jarvis
Yeah the 47 isn't really a degrade from the 101, besides it's a very nice weapon if you ask me, you get a spec of sand in the reciever of an M16 and it's useless.
Also an RPG-7 from the side and close range can disable an Abrams, as can a T-72 from medium distance not neccessarily destroy an Abrams from the side but can knock the hell out of one with the crew surviving and the tank still being able to be driven. Though, a T-72 can still kill infantry, light vehicles and APCs so no complaining there.
Posted: 2006-04-09 20:51
by Cerberus
I personally think the MEC should use more AK-74s