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Solid Knight wrote:I thought NATO forces were trying to stop them from blowing up the ocean.

No no no, my commanding officer swore blind that the entire planet was in imminent danger of being eaten by an enormous star goat...


(sorry for the completely random reference to something else entirely )

Flanker15 wrote:Who are the the MEC, they are the MEC duh!
It's like asking who are the GDI?

The Global Defence Initiative is a UN controlled counter terrorist task force publicly founded in 1995 following a botched assasination attempt by its forerunner Special Operations Group Echo: Black Ops 9, with a history running back to the aftermath of The Great World War 2.

Its Mission Statement was

The Global Defense Initiative was founded to enforce the United Nations Global Defense Act and uphold the ideals as outlined in the United Nations Charter.

Over the course of its existance its primary missions have consisted of studying and containing Tiberium and enguaging the Brotherhood of Nod in a series of bloody conflicts known as the Tiberium Wars.

No no no, my commanding officer swore blind that the entire planet was in imminent danger of being eaten by an enormous star goat...


(sorry for the completely random reference to something else entirely )

<3 Hitchhikers Guide.

Well all of the storyline is bs but they are definitely arabs,cause they speak arabic.They cant be persians because generally they dont like each other,dont mean it racially,like both states of sides have conflicting interests.Second,Suudi Arabia,Jordan,Qwait,Egypt are all important allies for USA and essential for the US presence in the area,so we can rule them out.As long as petrodollar goes on,we can also be sure that Suudi Arabia will stay as #2 ally for USA in middleeast after ISrael(or US being an ally for Israel eheh).After we ruled mentioned states out,there is Syria Libya Qatar,Algeria UAE,since Syria and Iran are crucial allies,we can rule Syria out too,so we have UAE,Algeria and Libya.Well not realistic but my analysis is less bs than EA's anyway.

MEC is to represent any country having a conflict with US interests,30 years ago it was Egypt now it is Syria and Iran who knows who'll they represent 30 years later,Pakistan maybe.But i believe EA/dice had Syria+Iran in mind.

Anyway since in bf2 we have USA invading deep territory in China(and UK in the mod) while fighting against some rogue states in Middle East,its also kind of useless to debate in the first place.

Kruder wrote:Well all of the storyline is bs but they are definitely arabs,cause they speak arabic.They cant be persians because generally they dont like each other,dont mean it racially,like both states of sides have conflicting interests.Second,Suudi Arabia,Jordan,Qwait,Egypt are all important allies for USA and essential for the US presence in the area,so we can rule them out.As long as petrodollar goes on,we can also be sure that Suudi Arabia will stay as #2 ally for USA in middleeast after ISrael(or US being an ally for Israel eheh).After we ruled mentioned states out,there is Syria Libya Qatar,Algeria UAE,since Syria and Iran are crucial allies,we can rule Syria out too,so we have UAE,Algeria and Libya.Well not realistic but my analysis is less bs than EA's anyway.

MEC is to represent any country having a conflict with US interests,30 years ago it was Egypt now it is Syria and Iran who knows who'll they represent 30 years later,Pakistan maybe.But i believe EA/dice had Syria+Iran in mind.

Anyway since in bf2 we have USA invading deep territory in China(and UK in the mod) while fighting against some rogue states in Middle East,its also kind of useless to debate in the first place.

Who says that the governments of countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt and Syria will be the same in the "near future" that PR/BF2 is set in? The kings of the Saudis and Jordan might have been toppled by anti-American groups and so on. The way a country is ruled might change in just one year. Just compare the Shahs pre-revolutionary Iran with what the country turned into under Khomeini.

I am also critical of MECs equipement which is almost all Russian as many have domesticly produced stuff and shit.

But honestly I think MEC is simply a force that doesn't exist today but still a force I'd keep. I guess it's a mix of all the middleastern countries and perhaps a secular or muslim Israel(Palestine).

Since they first saw each other, Jews and Muslims have been fighting each other. There is no way they would ever ally. ever. Plus there is an IDF faction being worked on, so why include them in MEC.

The MEC is a fictional faction of Muslims...

What they (EA) needed for bf2 was someone who could oppose the Americans other than the Chinese. No such country exists, so they created a fictional scenario, in which all the warring factions of Islam magically banded together to fight the Westerners. There is no way such an army would ever exist, might as well have one person define it, and that be the end.

I nominate... Rhino.

The way I look at the whole MEC/PLC, or heck, generally the entire situation as described in PR entirely, is this:

The MEC, as theorized before, is a makeshift alliance, much like NATO made up of countries that are pretty much tired of Western interference in Middle Eastern affairs.

Now it is hard to determine who exactly might be in this alliance, Arabs is the obvious choice due to the fact that, well, they speak Arab. So obviously the countries in the Arabian Penesula are obvious candiates. So Saudi Arabia, Oman, the U.A.E and Yemen are the most likely members. Not only due to their position in the world and their people, but also due to the fact that their military armaments, when brought together, conincide with the current weapons the MEC have in PR as it stands right now.

From there it gets a little hazy. Libya might be another member, due to the fact that its theorized that the Al Kufrah Oilfields map takes place in Libya. Iran, also, might be a member, due to their general hostility towards the US already, and that maps such as Kashan Desert are pointed out to be in the Iranian borders. Even if there are no Persians shown in game, it could easily be surmised that they are there, just not modded in due to time or lack of interest.

The maps in Iraq and Afghanistan might not be described as MEC actions, but rather as continuing Counter-Insurgent operations from the real wars going on now, but with a new intensity due to American/British forces being drawn away to fight the MEC. Which would explain why you have the Insurgents (and Taliban) forces fighting more fiercely.

The Chinese maps are different. The way I see it, China is not allied with the MEC, rather they are being opportunists with the current situation. My guess is they tried to do something behind the US' and Britain's backs, more than likely something to do with Taiwan, such as an invasion or blockade and war broke out. So essentially you have the Americans and the British fighting two major military powers. But both the US and Britian are focusing more on one theatre rather than both. Which, conviently, goes into more the area of those countries two interests. The US would obviously focus on the Middle East, due to the Oil, while having the British keep up with the Chinese. Which is why you see most the MEC maps with US forces fighting, and Chinese Maps with the British fighting. With some, but not most, vice-versa

Now the GB vs Militia maps could easily be some sort of previous action, but with the Russians now taking those maps in 0.85, it can be easily surmised that those are entirely seperate from the real wars going on with the US and Britain Vs. The MEC and China

Must be:

"Everyone who hates the Western Powers get an AK47 and follow me!."


A mix from all the Arab countrys.. IMO.

We should ask Dice

Oh man,I have to say - there is a lot of very creative minds out there -both thums up!

Let's take Iran for example:until 1979 a good friend of US in fact they still operate
the old F-14's.After the "revolution" Iran becomes an "enemy" and Iraq becomes
a friend (for the US) because they (or Saddam) is fighting Iran so he gets support
from just about everyone even the USSR.
Then we get the 1st gulf war Iraq is no longer a friend - second gulf war (2003)
they are the definitive enemy.At present the "official" Iraq is again a friend -Iran is still the enemy.
Russia (USSR at the time) which supported Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war is now
(after/during the second gulf war) has become the biggest friend of Iran -they're building the nuclear power stations for them.
To sum it up - Middle East is a cluster fack no matter how you look at it.
No one really knows who will be who tomorrow,even if we all agree that MEC are
Arabs only - there is another question which Arabs?
The "good" ones (Saudi Arabia,Jordan, UAE) or the "evil" ones like Syria,Lebanon,Lybia
the last one is another "surprise" life long "axes" of evil - now kind of a "friend" ?
Craaaaaazyyy.

The MEC are the faction that got the 7.62mm assault rifles because I wanted to try that and see how it worked

Most of the G3 family was already was lying around and was an arguably valid choice because many of them are produced under licence in the middle east. I think the characteristics of the G3 in PR make them an interesting faction to play (whereas the 5.56 caliber weapons all have very similar ballistics and damage characteristics, be it the M4, M16 or L85).

We (or possibly just me off on a tangent hehe) were trying to develop each faction with their own "flavour". The AK family could have arguably been a choice for the MEC because of the rest of their equipment being Russian, but we were also developing the Insurgents and Militia and those sort of factions are often associated to the classic AK47 look. And I didn't like the idea of the MEC being perceived as a terrorist faction.

Frankly I'd rather see the MEC using more indigenous equipment.. maybe the Zulqifar tanks as an example.

As for the cultural origins.. uh.. dunno.. don't care

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They are just a bunch of Mongolian Attack Lobsters... In disguise!!!

Origins of the MEC:

Following the global recession and the collapse of the high oil prices that brought wealth and prosperity to petrostates, the Middle East was plagued with political unrest. In Saudi Arabia, an Arabian nationalist group was growing in strength and already had gained control of several major cities. Similar uprisings were taking place in other Middle East nations. Seeing an opportunity to spread its influence even further, Iran provides military and monetary support to the rebel armies. Accusing their leaders of coddling the West and failing their people, the rebel groups gain widespread support.

By 2011, the face of the Middle East was transformed completely. In the former Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (now the Islamic Socialist Republic of Arabia), King Abdullah is dead, killed by rebel forces, the Saudi family has fled the country, and a new regime has taken control. Across the region, moderate, Western-friendly governments are toppled or are forced to concede to rebel demands, that include new controls on the sale of oil, designed to force prices back up and get the money flowing again.

In November 2011, with the new governments asserting their authority in their respective nations, Iran and Arabia agree on a proposal to form a union of Middle Eastern nations, with the official goal of uniting the long fragmented and downtrodden peoples of the region. The union initially consists of only Iran, Arabia, Syria, and Libya, but it is soon joined by all nations in the area excluding Israel and Iraq. The Middle Eastern Coalition now stands as the first complete unification of the area in nearly a millennium, though as it builds up its military and pressures the government of Iraq, its intentions are increasingly unclear. Though the MEC has yet (at this point) to engage in any military action, its rapidly strengthening military arm and nuclear arsenal (created from the programs of Pakistan and Iran) are worrisome to the US and several UN countries, though China and Russia both express their doubts that any plans for aggression exist.

Cobhris wrote:Origins of the MEC:

Following the global recession and the collapse of the high oil prices that brought wealth and prosperity to petrostates, the Middle East was plagued with political unrest. In Saudi Arabia, an Arabian nationalist group was growing in strength and already had gained control of several major cities. Similar uprisings were taking place in other Middle East nations. Seeing an opportunity to spread its influence even further, Iran provides military and monetary support to the rebel armies. Accusing their leaders of coddling the West and failing their people, the rebel groups gain widespread support.

By 2011, the face of the Middle East was transformed completely. In the former Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (now the Islamic Socialist Republic of Arabia), King Abdullah is dead, killed by rebel forces, the Saudi family has fled the country, and a new regime has taken control. Across the region, moderate, Western-friendly governments are toppled or are forced to concede to rebel demands, that include new controls on the sale of oil, designed to force prices back up and get the money flowing again.

In November 2011, with the new governments asserting their authority in their respective nations, Iran and Arabia agree on a proposal to form a union of Middle Eastern nations, with the official goal of uniting the long fragmented and downtrodden peoples of the region. The union initially consists of only Iran, Arabia, Syria, and Libya, but it is soon joined by all nations in the area excluding Israel and Iraq. The Middle Eastern Coalition now stands as the first complete unification of the area in nearly a millennium, though as it builds up its military and pressures the government of Iraq, its intentions are increasingly unclear. Though the MEC has yet (at this point) to engage in any military action, its rapidly strengthening military arm and nuclear arsenal (created from the programs of Pakistan and Iran) are worrisome to the US and several UN countries, though China and Russia both express their doubts that any plans for aggression exist.

I dub thee, author of the PR Storyline!

No, no! We don't want one, remember?

[R-DEV]Jaymz wrote:

I dub thee, author of the PR Storyline!

Just need to change the Islamic socialist republic part imo
Different principles.

Imagine:

Hehe, just need to change this part:

its rapidly strengthening military arm and nuclear arsenal (created from the programs of Pakistan and Iran) are worrisome to the US and several UN countries, though China and Russia both express their doubts that any plans for aggression exist.

Aren't ALL nations UN nations? You mean NATO, right?

McLuv wrote:Hehe, just need to change this part:



Aren't ALL nations UN nations? You mean NATO, right?

Probably would be best if I said UN Security Council. Namely USA, UK, Germany (assuming at this point the G4 nations have received permanent membership), and possibly India (as they may see the rapidly arming MEC as tipping the balance of power between Pakistan and India in favor of the former).

complete middle east

Cobhris wrote:Origins of the MEC:

Following the global recession and the collapse of the high oil prices that brought wealth and prosperity to petrostates, the Middle East was plagued with political unrest. In Saudi Arabia, an Arabian nationalist group was growing in strength and already had gained control of several major cities. Similar uprisings were taking place in other Middle East nations. Seeing an opportunity to spread its influence even further, Iran provides military and monetary support to the rebel armies. Accusing their leaders of coddling the West and failing their people, the rebel groups gain widespread support.

By 2011, the face of the Middle East was transformed completely. In the former Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (now the Islamic Socialist Republic of Arabia), King Abdullah is dead, killed by rebel forces, the Saudi family has fled the country, and a new regime has taken control. Across the region, moderate, Western-friendly governments are toppled or are forced to concede to rebel demands, that include new controls on the sale of oil, designed to force prices back up and get the money flowing again.

What happened to Suudi Arabia's f-15s,apache's,abram's,Humvee's,c-130's,AWACS,Tornado's?(not a few,they have a large number of these mentioned).Have you ever looked for what equipment S.Arabia army uses,all of them are NATO equipment,and most advanced ones i might say .So they switched back to outdated russian equipment in 2 years??

Whatever you think of an extremist islamist monarchy or how much support is given to Al-Quedia/Muslim Brothers/etc. in means of money and personal by Saudis didnt matter,wont matter.S.Arabia is #2 ally of USA in middleeast will stay like that for a long time.

Arabs and Persians had never had strong relations for long time with each other through out the history,never.

Also i think you put Turkey too among the MEC lines,well check TAF equipment also,all of them are NATO, for with some mid/low level developed local equipment.Also Turkey is a strong ally of Israel(neither proud nor regretting),and TAF equipment are being modernized by IDF(worth of billios of dollars since 10 years),Turkey is also one of the biggest buyers of jsf f-35 fighet(around 110)i am sure someone might mention some things our current president say about current conflict,if you do i'll go deep into that subject.

P.S:Most of the time,equipment chosen by a state for her armed forces is a big clue of the enemies and alliences as you know.

Whatever you think,Arabs cannot form a single allience,especially with Turks and Persians among them against USA,they didnt even form it with USSR backing them up 30 years ago.Muslims vs. Christians is not the issue in middleast,since 1000 years...