Growing concerns with PR players.

[Outlawz7]

wow an e-drama and I wasn't notified.

I personally don't care about the age of people I play with, it's their character and attitude that matters.

[Wallz]

wow an e-drama and I wasn't notified.

I personally don't care about the age of people I play with, it's their character and attitude that matters.

+1

I wish the rest of the community was with you on that.

[Tim270]

The thing is, if people continue to look down on new players as idiots and people who are not used to teamwork you will turn away a lot of the new community. People have to learn to play the game just the same way you did, by asking questions, so just help new players so they come back and play the next day.

[CodeRedFox]

Well if it make all the young players feel better PR would never do something like this or encourage it.

[chrisweb89]

To those who say you should need a mic to play PR. If that was a requiement I wouldn't of found this game which I love and since then have bought a mic for. You have to teach the new players if they are youg or old and if they just want to TK and smacktard then thats the time for an admin.

I started playing last year when I was 14 without a mic and in that time I became a better player and learned from other mature players not the players saying "you don't have a mic you must suck." If someone has a high pitched voice or annoying voice than just ask them not to talk unless really needed or maybe dont yell or whatever is making it annoying and if that still doesnt work then you kick them.

[Psyko]

USA Forever...

I am.... gobsmacked by your post. You ninja'ed Travis's comments, but the fact remains. Adults like to play with adults. Why?... Because the average adult hopes, that the chances are, that the adult players they will encounter are mature. (where-is, i think i can speak for some, but in the past when i have played with people younger than me, they have a less than sensible view on the game, sometimes) also, old guys like to break off from the idea of having to deal with a person who "could" be in and around the same age bracket as one of their kids... yes, its a gross generalisation, but thats life.

Dont you get it??? Old guys play games so that they dont have to go next door and beat the tar outta their kids!

[Smegburt_funkledink]

Has anyone ever played with Psykogundam when he's drunk? Maybe we should have some
kind of anti-alcohol test for whenever you sign in to your online account.

But he's Irish, then I'd never get to play with him. Wait, that may be a good idea.

[lmisbah1234]

i loved pr soo much lol until today when i exprienced something like never before, bunny hopping yes bunny hopping well trying to anyway and soloing to the max and u can tell all the noobs are here and trying to take over i mean this aint vanilla im getting really frustrated with this game now the noobs are ruining it, i mean their nothing wrong with being new we were all new at one time but comon go to training servers etc i even go to training servers to help new guys out but when im their what do i get? 'who are you' 'who gave u the authority' 'go away' 'why do the main server guys come here for' if we as a community dont sort this prob out soon pr may be lost forever im 23 years old apart from working etc this is the only game i EVER play i dont even play xbox360 no more so i wish pr stays alive and the game it is.

[USA-Forever932]

I'm going to take a second to voice MY opinions of the current PR community.

Here, we have a new situation, EA games has failed again and posted a an advert for PR in the EA launch screen. The nature of this advert serves to attract noobs to the game, it also gives them a predisposition and makes them believe that the game is fun. Luckily, we can turn this around. So, we have this influx of new players, which, like it or not, is something we need after all those players left after the 0.8 and 0.85 releases. However, besides all of the hackers, who will eventually be weeded out through a steady stream of punkbuster bans and or boredom, there are noobs who just don't know how to play. Now, we have a few things that we can do with these noobs. Let's discuss them.

Let's imagine that you're a squad leader playing Fallujah West as an American infantry squad. A new guy joins the game who just managed to get it to work. He declares that he's new to the game and asks you to bear with him. You can do some of the following things.

1. Kindly ask him if he has read the manual. If replies yes, welcome him, if he replies no, tell him that it's on his desktop and that he should give it a good look over before he plays. Hopefully, if he says no, he will listen, leave and read.
2. You can kick him straight off, now doing this will cause one of three general things to happen.
   1. [1]He is now stranded in the main base, upon walking out, he steps onto an IED placed by medicman and is greeted by a 60 second spawn. Upon seeing this and many of the other PR analisms that other players manage to avoid, he will either leave, read the manual, or try to join a squad again. Overall, the player is probably disgruntled in his first few seconds. Little does Rudd know, that he has stripped the PR community of a potentially valuable player. Thanks a lot Medicman .
      [2]He quits straight off
      [3]He joins another squad.
3. You can generally be mean to him rather and not just hand him a rifleman kit (If he listens) and show him (Slowly) the ropes, will insisting that after the game or when the leaves, he looks over the manual.

Problem is, the PR community (Sometimes even myself) have gone with the mean options. PR isn't being open enough with it's newcomers! If we want this community to survive, we need to open the doors a little. Be like Morpheus, train players in the training server for a spell. Let that new guy be the pointman, tell him to not sprint as much. These are little things you can do. Maybe your squad can be less badass for a round and make sure that it's one more guy that you bring in. Because, I don't care what anyone says adding just ONE player to the community is galaxies better than taking one away. Nobody can argue with that.

What I'm saying here is, drop the snobbish "I'm a PR veteran and I have no time for noobs" attitude. You aren't playing on a ranked server 24/7. No one is tracking you, you're here to have fun, show somebody else the ropes so the community replenishes itself! Not everyone who is here is going to be here forever. Don't take the dwindling community we have left for granted.

[CodeRedFox]

Great post USA-Forever932

Players don't seem to remember they themselves were in the same boat at one point. And admit it or not someone(s) helped you (maybe in a small tiny tiny way) at some point.

[Tartantyco]

-Verbal abuse and derision all the way.

[USA-Forever932]

Great post USA-Forever932

Players don't seem to remember they themselves were in the same boat at one point. And admit it or not someone(s) helped you (maybe in a small tiny tiny way) at some point.

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to do much of anything in this game after 3 years if it wasn't for the TCC community helping me out.

-Verbal abuse and derision all the way.

What you you mean? Verbal abuse? I wasn't going "Hey CodeRedFox, you're ruining the community, you're a a smacktard!" All I was saying was that a large portion of the community is making the game less accessible to beginners which is something that we need to reverse! How was I being derisive? That stuff about Medicman was a harmless gag. So Rudd, if I really did hurt your feelings, I'm sorry, but that IED was really mean. Anyway, I wasn't being derisive to anyone either. I pointed no fingers.

[crazy11]

Keep the rest of this thread civil and dont call out other people anymore.

[Tartantyco]

What you you mean? *Etc.*

-No, verbal abuse and derision as a way of getting the little n00blets in line.

[Bainwalker]

Can we please stop quoting each other on what we say about maturity and focus on talking about ways of getting new players to stop being morons?

[lmisbah1234]

Can we please stop quoting each other on what we say about maturity and focus on talking about ways of getting new players to stop being morons?

agree, today i went on to the training server to try help new players and guess what, the squad i got were very immature and not serious i was trying to teach them and then 2 wiould run off and get another kit and 1 would say something stupid like what is pr i mean when i try train guys i have structure in my sessions but the new guys who are currently joining dam they got issue and should return to bf2 i will try again to train i mean i might put a post on a thread asking if any new guys will want sme training maybe that way i can get some serious players, but the way things are looking thse days we might have to put in some stricter rules into the game to stop bad habits of vanilla kreeping up.

[McBumLuv]

Most new players are not infact morons. It has a lot to do with the environment they're in though. I've led many pub squads where I'd have some players who started for their first time, and they've listened to all of my orders. Of course they wouldn't know everything, and I might have to explain what E3kp6 meant, or how to use the compass, or reviving, but that's natural and beneficial.

However, really no matter how new or old the player is, don't hop onto a training server expecting to have any organization, so that entire point is moot.

[ThunderGod]

most people who you can tell are new to the game seem to want to work on the team and take orders, however there will always be that one person who gets on because he just got done watching gameplay videos on youtube so he downloaded the game right away and jumped in and he wont join a squad because nobody does on BF2 he will just run around lost not knowing how to read the map, then he will see somebody who is 80% likely to be friendly so he will shoot them, after about 10-20 minutes of running around not knowing what to do and not having any knowledge of the importance of joining a squad he will get frustrated and sit at a spawn and just shoot at friendly's because he dont know how to play or cant get any enemy kills, then he will try to waste assets, it happens all the time on every game, all you can really do is not take it personal and just vote them off or wait for them to finally leave, flicking a spark at these morons is just one sure way to light a fire

[TheLean]

I cant play with children not because they suck (which they do some time) but because i feel i am going to war with a child and it makes me feel like an ******* inside. We are not in Africa. Women and children first. Let kids play with kids.

[ChiefRyza]

I cant play with children not because they suck (which they do some time) but because i feel i am going to war with a child and it makes me feel like an ******* inside. We are not in Africa. Women and children first. Let kids play with kids.

What the HELL? Honestly I just spat out half a mouthful of beer at that one...

Anyway on topic, I find out how to weed out bad new players and encourage good ones by giving them simple orders like stick close to me and it gets progressively more complex as the game goes along. If they can't follow a simple order like moving to a giant arrow on their screen, I start barking out orders to them in case they don't understand. THEN, if they fail to follow me after that, I give them a final warning, then remove them.

I make a very strong attempt when I'm in the mood at showing new guys what teamwork in PR really feels like. For example, I had a squad of about 4 new guys one day. I told them to all stick close to me (some of them didn't have VOIP, but that's OK for a first timer) and we had a fantastic game - as a result all of them continued playing and some became members of the community (maybe not because of me but still). If you want players to start listening and to generally improve the standard of the player-base in your community, you have to make an effort. They arn't going to become fantastic team players on their own, YOU have to give them that experience that encourages them that if they follow orders and work as a team, they'll have a gaming experience that can't be had anywhere else.