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ralfidude wrote:dtacs, i heard some issues with gameplay on BigD.

Try Hardcore servers, try Tactical Gamer, try texas team players, thsoe servers have admins on that really do try to have the teamplay go swell. Some of the admins split up and become squad leaders and keep their squads intact.

It just sounds like you were ranting about a few bad experiences, and alot of PR players by now have learned that you wont get a very good match alot of times due to the influx of vanilla noobs, this in turn does not mean that pr going down the drain mate, or that its going to turn into vanilla.

Summer is going to be a hair ripping experience for us PR vets since all the kiddies are out of school and will play the game massively. But as a DEV has already stated some time ago.... Noobs are hardcoded.

The new players will eventually learn, and things will settle down. Make friends on PR, i join squads with mates i know. Hell, be a SL, and force teamwork. There are things you can do to avoid vanilla noobishment.

(Or be a commander)

Unfortunately I've been playing on those said servers for the past two weeks and even they have declined in quality. My best Experience has been the UKWR server since they do have a strict ruleset that if broken will get a player kicked quickly.

The TG server is great for the most part, but for a student without the money to support the server I tend to avoid TG because I don't enjoy being kicked from the server for supporting members. I wouldn't mind their system more if it just didn't auto-kick the longest playing non-supporting member.

As for Hardcore I haven't seen much from the admins in kicking people, but it may have just been bad days I dunno.

When a community like this has to absorb new players, these have to be accumstomed to the old playing culture. Otherwise the gameplay of project reality will change.

I still remember saying "Hi guys. I am new to the game. What do You want me to do."

So...

If You are new to the game, get VOIP and participate in the teamwork of a squad. Listen to Your squad leader and more experienced players. And before that, have a glimpse at the manual and have a run or two at the training servers.

As an intermediate player, take up responsibility and take up a squad leader position or the commander position. The key function of a squad leader is to improve squad cohesion, and even a mediocre squad leader can do that. Or help Your fellow squad leader to lead a squad, even if he is not experienced enough. That way we will get at least a new squad leader on the block.

As a veteran player, try to coordinate several squads, or maybe take control of the CO position from time to time. There are a lot of players who are willing to communicate on the battlefield. I have witnessed that the level of teamplaying rises a lot once a CO is present. Reorganizing squads, giving less experienced SLs feedback and orders and controlling the key assets are the key words here.

In general, I found that once players see that there is some teamplay going on, they try to intergrate themselves into the operational structure of a team. It might not be from the first second in the round, but You usually see self organization on the servers if enough active squad leaders are there. That might mean that one guy with a VOIP has to leave his squad to form a new squad and "collect some newbies" and teach them some very basics of the game. But if they show interest in how to learn it, I would reward them with a little of Your attention and time.

And if not, there are still admins around for the hard way. Get the best out the fresh meat.



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Lets face it...

How many times we read something like:

"Great flying skill. Nice doghfights"
"Great sniper skill. Over 600m kill"
"Great tanker skill. Destroyed everything"

Compared to:

"Great Squad Leader"
"This sniper must have map hack or something. He knows every enemy movement"
"Now that was CAS"

OK flying, sniping, driving, shooting requires more skill than BF2v.
But this not means that requires big skills.
Its very simplified compared to simulators (And of course it must be simplified.)

But if the point of PR is teamwork why we admire more these skills?
Why we read mostly the first set of phrases i mentioned above?
So i think we must recognize our own mistakes first and then talk about incoming noobs.

Haha sorry I misread what I was qouting on my last post. Too much green herb

Nemus wrote:Lets face it...

How many times we read something like:

"Great flying skill. Nice doghfights"
"Great sniper skill. Over 600m kill"
"Great tanker skill. Destroyed everything"

Compared to:

"Great Squad Leader"
"This sniper must have map hack or something. He knows every enemy movement"
"Now that was CAS"

now that is sooo true.

on the other hand, i lead a complete noob squad yesterday on kashan as MEC (warning: this should be AAR actually). 4 out of 5 SMs had no experience with PR whatsoever or their second/third round. and this on a map like kashan. everyone had VOIP though. this was bound to be hard. i got a guy who knew how to use it to get a H-AT, plus one AA and a sniper. the team was completely disorganized, but we had good pilots in one transport chopper and the apache as it would turn out.

now comes the point. after capping south village the whole team went on to get bunkers which at that point had already been taken by the US. after building a FOB at south village we moved up on foot to the hills northwest of south village to build another FOB and have an eye on the village itself.

now comes the trick: as we only faced tanks, aa's and such most of the squad didn't have anything to at all except manning the stationary AA and calling out contacts. try to do this for 45 minutes straight with a squad. usually ppl will start running away (which the only SM with experience in PR did after about 10 minutes). but as these guys were new i told them what the purpose was and what was happening when i called CAS and lased targets. the medic followed the H-AT all the time like a puppy . i commend these guys whose names i have forgotten for being a bunch of damn nice and responsive noobs .

so what posters before me have said is true. take the initiative as a veteran players, open a squad and take these noobs under your wing. if they have mic's and are willing to learn this can be a very rewarding experience .

ralfidude wrote: NOBODY is able to request ANY kit aside from crewman or pilot at the start of the map for the first 10 minutes. After 10 min all kits are open. This would force to move soldiers out and actually do something.

By what logic do you force players to "do something" if you just restricted them to using nothing but trucks and jeeps to ride out while using basic kits?
Not to mention most would probably do the opposite and wait those 10 minutes at start in the base so they can get their kits, then hop into vehicles and move out.

I totally laugh at vanilla noobs who crash teams helis and waste assets and go lonewolfing... i just say, gigantic lol

1. Join a clan
2. Play frequently
3. Lock your squad
4. Rely on others as less as possible (as in WALK whenever possible as pilots can't be relied on .86).
5. ...
6. PROFIT

People migrating from BF2 vannilla i must admit are frustrating, shame how it could all be sorted out if they just fully read the manual instead of going i was good in BF2 with the black hawk, i will be good in this. Which if you think of it is a perfectly reasonable suggesting to make. But i must admit these people who join a squad grab a sniper then make a locked single squad called Lone wolfer or something, just what is that?

It's a lack of enthusiasm for teamplay. Some people have it. Many don't. I love team work. All the FPS run and gun owning people...that's all fine. How ever getting people together and rocking a map is just so much >better< IMO.

One of my clan mates put it simply on why he doesn't like PR "To much team, I like instant gratification, I want to make a visible difference by my self. I want to personally own the map."

I'd take playing a round with good people, even if we aren't the best squad. Hell we can sit the whole round driving trucks and popping out crates. Helping out in a team victory. That's why I play.

Well Outlawz, its why i wrote that third, last option, which will definitely have to force them to do something to be able to request a kit, right?

JKRMAUI wrote: so much batter IMO.

I'd take playing a round with good people, even if we aren't the best squad. Hell we can sit the whole round driving trucks and popping out crates. Helping out in a team victory. That's why I play.

1) Batter... mmm....

2) Yeah, I feel that if I've done something that's helped the team, no matter how small, and we win, I like to feel that I've made a difference.

Thanks for catching that little error

It is as the load in tips says. Killing the enemy is just one part of the battle. Put your teams interest first. I know I slaughtered the quote...but it says the same thing

Spinkyone wrote: 1. Join a clan
Subtly hotlink your URL where possible to grab as many promising players as you can

2. Play frequently
So you can claim your "experience" makes you better than everyone else (especially teh lame n00bs)

3. Lock your squad
So NO newbies can join to learn from said "experience" by you isolating yourself, only play with other gamers you know who have secret decoder rings for your squad... All great PR players are born that way, no one starts as a Newbie

4. Rely on others as less as possible (as in WALK whenever possible as pilots can't be relied on .86).
Teamwork? Pfft that's for nubs, all you need is youself and other people in your super l33t club (with their decoder rings) There's no time to waste with those other guys (aka the team) they'll never be as good as you are

5. ...
*insert bigotry here*

6. PROFIT
If you define profit as a sure way to kill the mod and stop new players from knowing how to play the game then Success! In fact maybe we should password lock all servers and just give no one that pass, that'll be a surefire way to prevent any n00bs

Most retarded post ever

I'm sure the first squad you ever joined as a newb was a locked one full of elitest clan members

Christ and people wonder why there's an increase of Nubs in PR with folk like this around? being elitest and only playing with your clan in locked squads is a sure fire way to destroy everything this mod is about.

This is just people ensuring that all the newbies stay newbies for as long as possible.

Eventually the n00b evolves, getting pissed off, frustrated and he begins evolving into the smacktard.
The smacktard is there there to cause havoc for the cool clan kids who wouldn't let them join in and play, the smacktard feels lonely, isolated and exactly like the lil kid who has no one to play games with. Eventually it's that kid that burns down the school, or climbs a clock tower with an Uzi.
Better that than welcome them into your world with open arms, be friendly and (WITHOUT snatching them into your clan where you can keep them in a box) teach them aspects of the game they havn't even thought of before now, more importantly show them the fun aspects of the game when played properly.

/Begin Controlled Cain Rant

FFS just because this is a game dosn't mean we have to act like children and isolate the new kids at school because they don't know the way its meant to be played or they aren't cool enough.
There's definitely a lot more n00bs about as I sometimes find myself giving more of a training session rather than playing a game but do you seriously think locking squads and isolating into little groups (aka Clans) helps ANYONE???

PR Is a COMMUNITY, and the best servers are COMMUNITYS because these servers welcome new players and teach them things that others (Scowl) REFUSE to teach them because its too much effort.
This isn't a finished Project, it's come a long way but it's still 0.8 not V1.0. There's bug's, imperections to the gameplay and a LOT of new players interested in what it's all about, shut them out and there wont be a mod anymore cos there'll be no one around to play it.
All the elitest clans will move on to the next shiney thing because there will be a lack of squadless blue smurfs to go hunting for as a result of anyone that has a clue how to play properly being in a locked squad.


Upon installation of PR there should be no way to begin playing unless you've RTFM, the first time run of the game should then ask, say, 3 questions where the answers are within the manual. so you can't just scroll through and cheat out of it.

It's the **** ended elitist attitude that's a cancer to this mod and also the reason why when I get a nub in my squad 9 times out of 10 I hear "wow, no one's ever told me that before!" "wow, I've never had a game like this before" etc. etc.

there's people out there trying to learn and people trying to show them what this mod's all about, the whole attitude of "clan up, get good, lock away" makes mine and dozens of other GOOD SLs jobs much harder

redman0123 wrote:You do realize that we're just using digital avatars, right? These are computer generated models not real live human beings youre blasting apart.

No one's suggesting Murder here... who dya think is on the other end of that computer generated avatar? believe it or not it's not a mongoose, it is in fact a person, the same as you or me. Like you and me this person has feelings, motives and reasons for why they're doing what they're doing.
Find those reasons and you can mould this person into whatever you want.

As far I'm concerned, admins wont ban smacktards for being totally un cooperative and ruining the game, so they keep showing up and keep soloing that last humvee in main... They gotta learn that they aren't wanted unless they shape up somehow.

I'll kick anyone whos SL is complaining about them not following orders, no questions.
I'll retire any SL wandering around without an officiers kit and nubs scattered everywhere.
I'll kick (Warn first several times and after Usually fling and !Kill regularly beforehand) ANYONE with a locked squad.
I will routinely Ballock and pester any SL who isn't growing balls and taking control of his squad, no result? then retire them.

SOoooOOooooo Redman Teamkills TehNub
Redman Teamkills TehNub
Redman Teamkills TehNub
Redman has been Banned for teamkilling

Is far better than

Redman: Admin teh nub isn't following orders etc. etc.
Tehnub is kicked (not following orders)

I see one result whereby the nub stays on the server and someone with potential, yet, a lack of self control is auto banned. Nub can continue as normal as he isn't being TKed anymore and no one is telling me that hes a tosspot because the only one who knew thought it better to go vigilante and TK them. Forgive me for not being Superdork and staying on to admin my server 24/7, if I or my colleuges arent there during your game time then post up a thread into the related servers forums related to the smacktard. kick the dam smacktard from your squad.

I see another result where a nub gets a kick message saying he isn't following orders, nub continues to get that message and if he has two braincells he begins to figure it out... PR = Play with team?
My, my, what an interesting concept, a game where people combine their strengths, weaknesses and varying levels of experience to provide a good game atmosphere that can be enjoyed by everyone helping to create a team that's greater than the sum of it's noobs... I wonder what that game is called?

If I have a pain in the arse nubby in my squad it's my life goal to turn them around into something special, its herding cats most of the time however just strangle that kitty when he does bad and pretty soon hell be setting up rally points and suppressing fire from his litter box

/end rant, Cain Out

Adopt a newbie programme? thors? 10th? summit like that... Now those boys had the RIGHT idea


Be nice to the new guy... or I'll get mad

My server idea outlined in this post will be going live, hopefully early next week.:

pr-server-idea

Also Im just making the finishing touches to the Website forum, so hopefully Ill be able to post up details on that before the end of the week.

The server will welcome all teamwork orientated players, noobs and pros, and will have a compulsory mumble rule, and also a white list to prevent non-members from joining. ( Initially the white list will not be in operation, so that people who don't visit the PR forum can find out about the server )

Im hoping that the server will help players avoid many of the problems talked about in this thread.

ralfidude wrote:dtacs, i heard some issues with gameplay on BigD.

Please, do go on.

Try Hardcore servers, try Tactical Gamer, try texas team players, thsoe servers have admins on that really do try to have the teamplay go swell. Some of the admins split up and become squad leaders and keep their squads intact.

So do ours?

It just sounds like you were ranting about a few bad experiences, and alot of PR players by now have learned that you wont get a very good match alot of times due to the influx of vanilla noobs, this in turn does not mean that pr going down the drain mate, or that its going to turn into vanilla.

Seriously what is your problem? Are you trying to troll or can you not read? When did i say PR is going down the drain? PR becoming a BF2 alternative, which in plain fact it is, isn't a problem at all. If anything, more playerbase is better for this mod.

Summer is going to be a hair ripping experience for us PR vets

Once again, you speak as if practically everyone is on your side, or you're part of a group.

since all the kiddies are out of school and will play the game massively. But as a DEV has already stated some time ago.... Noobs are hardcoded.

Once again, bl. Suck it up and pull your head in. Im 16, and im more mature than half the American and Russian gamers that come on to BigD, but i shouldn't even be saying that because it enforces the stereotype that all people who are younger than 18 have high pitched voices and enforce bad play in a game.

Its people like you who ruin this game by instead of tolerating 'kiddies', simply shunning them out and ignoring them, making them WANT to waste choppers and take the sniper kits.

The new players will eventually learn

You just contradicted yourself, how can they learn if they are 'hardcoded'?

and things will settle down. Make friends on PR, i join squads with mates i know.

If you're trolling, im biting here. Im in a clan mate, obviously i join squads with people i know. Doesn't mean its going to stop randoms from joining.

Hell, be a SL, and force teamwork. There are things you can do to avoid vanilla noobishment.

Oh wow.

... but being 16 means you have no military knowledge and that you most likely sprint around corners and walk in the middle of the street like sniper bait.

The truth is inexperienced players while not all bad, are just a hassle to have in your squad and just like in real life they do something dumb that gets them and other people killed too. For example that guy in your squad during insurgency who starts shooting his AK at the bradley APC 1km away.

EDIT: Whatever cain you cant be on watching the server all the time and the truth is... servers are RARELY ever admined. So whatever I'll run my squad my way and unless I get reported and Im your server theres nothing you can do about it. Suck it up butter cup.

ralfidude wrote:dtacs, i heard some issues with gameplay on BigD.

Try Hardcore servers, try Tactical Gamer, try texas team players, thsoe servers have admins on that really do try to have the teamplay go swell. Some of the admins split up and become squad leaders and keep their squads intact.

It just sounds like you were ranting about a few bad experiences, and alot of PR players by now have learned that you wont get a very good match alot of times due to the influx of vanilla noobs, this in turn does not mean that pr going down the drain mate, or that its going to turn into vanilla.

Summer is going to be a hair ripping experience for us PR vets since all the kiddies are out of school and will play the game massively. But as a DEV has already stated some time ago.... Noobs are hardcoded.

The new players will eventually learn, and things will settle down. Make friends on PR, i join squads with mates i know. Hell, be a SL, and force teamwork. There are things you can do to avoid vanilla noobishment.

(Or be a commander)

As a long time player of bigD I find this incredibly offensive. Grow up and show some respect next time, just because you play on a selm proclaimed "hardcore" server, doesn't mean your automatically superior. How dare you come and claim our server isn't up to scratch after the admin put in so much hard work to keep it tard free. In fact, I've witnessed the exact opposite when playing on your "elite" servers the last time I played on them (quite a while ago). I find people are incredibly discriminate against new people and treat most players who arn't total regulars as if they are second best.

This teamwork issue is happening everywhere - not because of the servers but because of the non-stop promotion PR has gotten, leading so many more people into this mod where in the past it was possible to handle them effectively.

redman0123 wrote:... but being 16 means you have no military knowledge and that you most likely sprint around corners and walk in the middle of the street like sniper bait.

The truth is inexperienced players while not all bad, are just a hassle to have in your squad and just like in real life they do something dumb that gets them and other people killed too. For example that guy in your squad during insurgency who starts shooting his AK at the bradley APC 1km away.

EDIT: Whatever cain you cant be on watching the server all the time and the truth is... servers are RARELY ever admined. So whatever I'll run my squad my way and unless I get reported and Im your server theres nothing you can do about it. Suck it up butter cup.

When I was 14 I had almost as much military knowledge as a 20 year old guy who didnt join the army. We are boys, boys who are interested in army stuff (why play a realistic army game that focusses around tactics). By watching war-movies, reading war-novels, watching discovery channel and playing other games you develop a sence of not: sprinting around corners. I think theres loads of 14-16 old gamers that are much better at using military knowledge in there games than some 30 year olds who just started playing PR.

Try Resistance and Liberation on Steam. Theres loads of 16 year olds using all sorts of saving privat ryan tricks to win there games. Because they all saw the movie, they all think it was cool, so they use those tactics. Its not real-life war tactics what you see in movie's, but they are based on them. So to a degree, very usefull in games.

redman0123 wrote:... but being 16 means you have no military knowledge and that you most likely sprint around corners and walk in the middle of the street like sniper bait.

Haha, wow. I truly, have never seen someone as stupid or as ignorant as yourself. This sentence is pretty much the epitome of being an absolute retard.

Im not boasting, but i bet i have more military knowledge than you do yourself. Age doesn't even make a difference.

Whats funnier is that you think military knowledge reflects on PR to a far-extended length.

The truth is inexperienced players while not all bad, are just a hassle to have in your squad and just like in real life they do something dumb that gets them and other people killed too. For example that guy in your squad during insurgency who starts shooting his AK at the bradley APC 1km away.

Kick him then, i have no problem with it, ill kick anyone whos an idiot in my squad, regardless if they are a 'vet' or not.

EDIT: Whatever cain you cant be on watching the server all the time and the truth is... servers are RARELY ever admined. So whatever I'll run my squad my way and unless I get reported and Im your server theres nothing you can do about it. Suck it up butter cup.

What an absolute child you are. Its incredible; not only can you not formulate a proper sentence but you boast like some 5 year old.

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