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Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 06:05
by Souls Of Mischief
Why would the medics become OP? Indulge me with teh PR knowledge.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 06:38
by Heskey
Maybe my viewpoint is antiquated - harking back to the days when the medic could heal themselves unlimitedly with the medic bag.
Certainly, the absence of scopes tends to ensure the medic is at the back of the squad and out of harms way.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 06:46
by ShockUnitBlack
Giving medics scopes would limit the utility of the riflemen classes IMO, although it isn't going to ruin the balance of the game. That's hyperbole.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 12:25
by Eddie Baker
ShockUnitBlack wrote:Giving medics scopes would limit the utility of the riflemen classes IMO, although it isn't going to ruin the balance of the game. That's hyperbole.
So is "giving medics scopes would limit the utility of the rifleman classes." Do medics have as many magazines, additional ammo or grenades?
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 12:45
by Ca6e
Medic is there to revive u (on close range) and cover your back when u engage the enm. So i think, aimpoint is perfect in his situation! Is very accurate up to 150m (no need sniper medic).
But i would give medic a acog or similar only for desert maps! Coause in the real army equipment depends of the terrain! If its open, u will use scope magnifications or acog, in city maps or CQB u will use aimpoint, ironsights.
For some map, medic with acog will be good, i cant even imagine medic with scope on muttrah!
solute
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 12:48
by Unhealed
Eddie Baker wrote:So is "giving medics scopes would limit the utility of the rifleman classes." Do medics have as many magazines, additional ammo or grenades?
He has a magic medic bag and a magic epipen, giving him grenades or scope will make him too magic.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 15:43
by Kothra
How about I make this a main conversation topic?
Is the German medic, in your experience, at all an uber-class or does it limit the utility of other in any way?
In my experience, the Germans play pretty much exactly the same way as any other conventional force, with the medic having optics make no difference to overall gameplay whatsoever.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 16:15
by Unhealed
Is the German medic, in your experience, at all an uber-class
Almost, the guy just lacks grenades. Let's give it to him, coz I bet real medics use grenades.
G36 is OP btw, medic should have G3 instead.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 17:04
by Hurricane
Kothra wrote:Is the German medic, in your experience, at all an uber-class or does it limit the utility of other in any way?
No, but he does have an edge over the russians he's facing on all Bundeswehr AAS Maps and over the Taliban on Lashkar. Overall, it's pretty much the best medic kit ingame, but that's because of the standard service rifle. The G3 is rarely issued nowadays and medics sure as hell won't be carrying this heavy thing. The only real alternative to the G36 would be the MP7 - which I think would mess with the kit-balance even more than a G36 that happens to have magnified optics on every kit that uses it.
Giving the US Army/USMC medics/corpsmans rifles with magnified optics would give them offensive capabilities the kit isn't supposed to have. Both US factions are already well supplied with weapons that can reach out pretty far really accurately, the medic is fine as it is. The Bundeswehr medic really is an exception and it should stay this way.
[FUN FACT: The in-built scope of the G36 carrying handle isn't even that great IRL. The field of view is narrow, it doesn't work well in low-light environments, one hard bump or drop will shift its zero. I often found myself searching - and not finding - targets on the range because of the FOV, which led to me aiming with the red dot first and then switching to the scope once I'm on target or just not using the scope at all, since the red dot is more than sufficient for targets at 100-150m. I even have two of these scopes at home, they really are cheap, mass produced optics for hundreds of thousands of standard issue rifles.]
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 17:22
by Unhealed
The G3 is rarely issued nowadays and medics sure as hell won't be carrying this heavy thing.
Why does the Squadleader and some other kits can have it then?
And if it's so heavy why would the squadleader carry it, almost every other factions squadleaders are carrying something lightweight and compact like m4. If the devs want someone in German faction to use G3 then I think medic is an excellent choice.
But MP7 is also a great option for the medic, imagine how many people will be willing to play as a medic.
That fun fact of yours is interesting, but sadly in PR G36 is OP.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 17:42
by Hurricane
Because medics carry a heavy as fuck rucksack full of all kinds of medical supplies on top of the all the other gear IRL. And because the G3 is a rather offensive weapon, it is used supplementary in Afghanistan simply because of superior penetration capabilities (7,62x51 vs. 5,66x45).
Now that I think of it, a G36K for the standard medic and the MP7A1 (with Zeiss RSA or EOTech 552) for the alternative kit would be a great option.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 17:44
by Souls Of Mischief
Hurricane wrote:Giving the US Army/USMC medics/corpsmans rifles with magnified optics would give them offensive capabilities the kit isn't supposed to have. Both US factions are already well supplied with weapons that can reach out pretty far really accurately, the medic is fine as it is. The Bundeswehr medic really is an exception and it should stay this way.
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Yeah, because it's easier to clear a room with a 4x magnified optic rather than a reflex sight.
Not that offensive capabilities = clearing a 2x2 room.
I don't see any reason why the medic should be forbidden to have a magnified optic.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 17:50
by Unhealed
Then why a combat engineer(IIRC he has G3) uses it? He carry a lot of stuff too. If there would be no G3 for any German kit I could understand the logic behind it.
Excellent option for me would be G3 as a main gun and MP7 as alt. G36K is as OP as G36.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 19:02
by Kothra
Unhealed wrote:G36 is OP btw, medic should have G3 instead.
Based on what?
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 20:31
by Unhealed
Kothra wrote:Based on what?
On my experience. You asked about my experience and my experience is that G36(K) is OP. It's so easy to kill your target. One day I might make a video showing how G36(K) perform vs other guns.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 20:37
by Kothra
I'll be waiting to see it.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-11 22:04
by 40mmrain
Im like 99% sure it has nearly identical damage, deviation, and rate of fire compared to the tavor, L85A2 and M4A1.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-12 16:32
by matty1053
So basiclly everyone says every single gun is OP?
In 1.0, the medic rarely fights... he is constantly reviving 7/8 players in his squad!
But The US has a medic w/ a reflex site iirc.... (IN GAME)
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-12 20:18
by spawncaptain
Unhealed wrote:On my experience. You asked about my experience and my experience is that G36(K) is OP. It's so easy to kill your target. One day I might make a video showing how G36(K) perform vs other guns.
You only think so because of the 3x optics (ACOG has 4x) which make it seem like the G36 had smaller deviation. No G3 for the German medic just because you think it's "OP".
Besides, I support the OP's suggestion because the medic is no longer the super lonewolf kit it used to be when it had the magic self healing medic bag.
Re: give optic to corpsman and medic
Posted: 2013-08-12 21:21
by Kaix12
+1
Us army should have acog as alternate and USMC should have m16a4 acog or m4 acog, British army has susat and so on for medics and Corpsman.
I personally think this is a matter of realistic loadouts than game balancing, as if German medics can have scopes and I honestly see no OPness from them,also yes medic should be reviving people, but having a scoped optic doesn't make me more aggressive, all I use the scope for is scanning for enemy threats before revive and I'm not going to concentrate more on shooting than reviving just because I have a magnified optic in my hand.
