]TAR[ Texas (North America)

[HARRISON1973]

Dangit man, stop trying to discredit us.

We didnt all decide to just surface things up from months and months ago.

This is current issues.
It started with someone complaining about a twisted rule that once again plays in your favor when ya want it to.
It's about the ghosting your team participates in, the racism and the hell bent adminning. I was a admin too ya know. I was fair and fast. I dont see any complaints about how I did my job.

The complaints are how your guys do theirs.

Nano not standing up for it is ridiculous. Just as he didnt stand up for himself while in your clan. I used to ask him why he dealt with it and wouldnt stand up for himself. I dont believe I ever got a response.
Not all have a spine, so i guess thats that. just as you who are defending it all do not ave a spine.

RichyRich55 has a spine. Are you discrediting him as well? He's man enough to admit it at least. Respect to him and those who follow.

No one is trying to discredit you or your clan man, you're doing that all on your own. As I told you in Teamspeak, I have had nothing but respect for you and I trust your judgment and I was one that pushed for you to get admin. We even gave your judgment priority over some of our own admins in the attempt to help clean it up. I expected you to be part of the solution to help with the clan and server, not jump on a bandwagon and pull up **** that happened in the past and sling it back in our face. That goes for all of TMP as well. You guys are not, nor ever will be our enemy.

Nano didn't agree with you about us being racist because he knows we're not. You tried, although I don't know why. You see, you want to take conversations way out of context to try to prove someone's point. That's weak man.

You told me in Teamspeak that your mission is to get us disbanded and to get our server license pulled, I wish you had decided to be part of the solution. I expected that much from you. We have worked too hard to stand idly by and let you rant and try to band people together under the banner of our past history and help drudge up old instances that may have happened in that attempt.

We all admit things have happened that should not have, and that's the reason we're still here, fighting hard to resolve that image and change what needs to be changed. You were supposed to be part of that solution, as was your clan, as friends and trusted partners.

I'm done with this. I have tried with you, I don't know why you would turn on us like this and try to slander what we are working on hard to resolve. Maybe you and Rebiv need to talk since it seems he's the one you had an argument with the other night. Maybe you two can work it out, I don't know, but I do ask that and we end this and either help or stay away. I leave the choice to you.

**EDIT**

And as far a Rich is concerned, I hoped he would help as well, I guess he either didn't want to put forth the effort or what is going on was too much for him to handle. Either way, we wish him well in whatever he decides to do. We hold him in high regard!

[HARRISON1973]

RichyRich55 has a spine. Are you discrediting him as well? He's man enough to admit it at least. Respect to him and those who follow.

So you would rather see us disband and give up our server license than to see us improve and resolve our issues and grow as a clan and server? Are you that shallow?

[iAstralPr0jekt]

this is not about Rebiv and I's disagreement, those are far too common. I think I'm just about the only one who actually stood up to the little fella. I never held my tongue with him.
It is how about how he behaves as a player, admin and server provider.

This initially was about him and those who stand by his side.
It still is.

For someone to say "dont listen to the CO, this is MY event, you listen to me and me alone" and then proceed to tell me where Im leading MY squad from the position as my squad member is rude and childish.

Unfortunately I have had to endure this far too many times from him, he owns it so he's gonna suffer for it, unfortunately you will follow him down the tube defending him and such.

The CO who got ignored that day was treated disrespectfully and I am here to voice my opinion for those players who have to endure these types of behaviors.

this is not about our clan disbanding either. The outcome of GS was seen a long time in advance. But I couldnt do this then because the members in GS would suffer as well.

Rebiv locked the thread cause he's too much of a coward to actually speak up. He has attempted to divert this thread even farther than you guys have and he has failed.

He is the one who caused this and those who follow will suffer as well.

Witness and witness testifies he is a cheat and racist and an abusive community member. But somehow you claim he is not. I'm clueless of how you can claim he is not.

TMP and I as well as many others who have yet to speak up will all admit that this is most definately not anything from the far distant past. As long as Rebiv is in control I will continue this effort.
As for banning me from your server....lol. oh no. its half empty since these accounts have been reported
so I'm sure Im not missing much.

[Foxxy]

well said Astral, Well said...


point i need to make is that it is a shitty server little to no TW, Admins that seem to have the ban button on there keyboard, Paranoid server owner. Thanks but i wont ever be playing on this server ever again.



That is my feedback

[HARRISON1973]

this is not about Rebiv and I's disagreement, those are far too common. I think I'm just about the only one who actually stood up to the little fella. I never held my tongue with him.
It is how about how he behaves as a player, admin and server provider.

This initially was about him and those who stand by his side.
It still is.

For someone to say "dont listen to the CO, this is MY event, you listen to me and me alone" and then proceed to tell me where Im leading MY squad from the position as my squad member is rude and childish.

Unfortunately I have had to endure this far too many times from him, he owns it so he's gonna suffer for it, unfortunately you will follow him down the tube defending him and such.

The CO who got ignored that day was treated disrespectfully and I am here to voice my opinion for those players who have to endure these types of behaviors.

this is not about our clan disbanding either. The outcome of GS was seen a long time in advance. But I couldnt do this then because the members in GS would suffer as well.

Rebiv locked the thread cause he's too much of a coward to actually speak up. He has attempted to divert this thread even farther than you guys have and he has failed.

He is the one who caused this and those who follow will suffer as well.

Witness and witness testifies he is a cheat and racist and an abusive community member. But somehow you claim he is not. I'm clueless of how you can claim he is not.

TMP and I as well as many others who have yet to speak up will all admit that this is most definately not anything from the far distant past. As long as Rebiv is in control I will continue this effort.
As for banning me from your server....lol. oh no. its half empty since these accounts have been reported
so I'm sure Im not missing much.

I wasn't talking about your clan disbanding, I said you want our clan to disband, because you don't like Rebiv, and how that's childish.

No doubt he has had some control issues, and the reason why we have put together an officer core to handle all clan aspects, and Rebiv has stepped back. He did that in the best interest of the server and the clan, and was something we could have used your help with and the reason we gave you admin and our trust. We have regular officer meetings to try and repair the damage we, ourselves, have caused over the past years.

We're going through growing pains right now, and we are trying to get things straightened out, which is why I started this thread and the forum category in our own forums. I surely didn't expect you or anyone else to kick us in the nuts during this and keep hounding on past events. We know what happened, and is the reason we are changing it.

So like I said, and I shall repeat, help us or stay away.

[iAstralPr0jekt]

well said.
I do see that he has let his XO's take a near full control of things and I am hoping that this is at your demand.

Just think of it like this.
Look at the complaints and take a very deep notice of it all. Obviously your rep was heavily tainted before I even posted anything.
IMO if this had not occured than it would all still continue and players would be done dirty until something was said. Something's said. I know you're seeing the effects and I hope you're learning from it.
Don't disrespect your pubbers, give them a chance.
They make your server what it is by visiting and playing there. Without them there would be no purpose of having it or having a set of friends in clan who function as a well trained team.

I agree that your XO's have grown substantially and have made changes inside its structure and it does sem to have a good effect on it all.
Lets hope this continues.
Rebiv needs to be cut from the community and go back to hacking on vanilla.

[Archerchef]

can you just leave your feedback and begone? this is annoying were having this argument over 3 forums and teamspeak

[Hectorjr21]

Forget it Astral, they're obviously not going to change, they have an excuse for everything.

[Hectorjr21]

My feedback for the server:
Admin Abouse
Racism
Asset whoring by [TAR]
1. No squads until timer has reached 2:00 mark. **EXCEPTION** TAR clan members reserve the right to make a squad at 2:05 to reserve an asset that has been planed for the next map.(Kick or 24hr ban)
* Directly from their forums.
Server Rules
Cheating/Ghosting

This server is terrible, no teamwork at all, just 1 person telling the team what to do, and if it doesn't work, he just ends the round or restarts it.

[HARRISON1973]

well said.
I do see that he has let his XO's take a near full control of things and I am hoping that this is at your demand.

Just think of it like this.
Look at the complaints and take a very deep notice of it all. Obviously your rep was heavily tainted before I even posted anything.
IMO if this had not occured than it would all still continue and players would be done dirty until something was said. Something's said. I know you're seeing the effects and I hope you're learning from it.
Don't disrespect your pubbers, give them a chance.
They make your server what it is by visiting and playing there. Without them there would be no purpose of having it or having a set of friends in clan who function as a well trained team.

I agree that your XO's have grown substantially and have made changes inside its structure and it does sem to have a good effect on it all.
Lets hope this continues.
Rebiv needs to be cut from the community and go back to hacking on vanilla.

Thank you Astral! But this change was initiated a couple of weeks after I posted this thread, and the changes have been ongoing ever since. We have a lot to go over and it takes time, but we are getting there. We have improved quite a bit, and more will come.

Forget it Astral, they're obviously not going to change, they have an excuse for everything.

My feedback for the server:
Admin Abouse
Racism
Asset whoring by [TAR]
1. No squads until timer has reached 2:00 mark. **EXCEPTION** TAR clan members reserve the right to make a squad at 2:05 to reserve an asset that has been planed for the next map.(Kick or 24hr ban)
* Directly from their forums.
Server Rules
Cheating/Ghosting

This server is terrible, no teamwork at all, just 1 person telling the team what to do, and if it doesn't work, he just ends the round or restarts it.

You don't listen do you? Have you even read the last page?

PS, I have already talked with a couple of members of your clan and we have decided to revise that rule to apply only to planned events and practices. It should have been that way from the start. You might want to communicate with your own clan and stop trolling.

[Archerchef]

My feedback for the server:
Admin Abouse
Racism
Asset whoring by [TAR]
1. No squads until timer has reached 2:00 mark. **EXCEPTION** TAR clan members reserve the right to make a squad at 2:05 to reserve an asset that has been planed for the next map.(Kick or 24hr ban)
* Directly from their forums.
Server Rules
Cheating/Ghosting

This server is terrible, no teamwork at all, just 1 person telling the team what to do, and if it doesn't work, he just ends the round or restarts it.

u spelled abuse wrong.

Edit: User was warned for "Useless/unhelpful" posting. When making such a comment at least also add to the discussion at hand otherwise warnings/infractions will ensue.

[crazy11]

If anyone has a viable complaint that shows that this server is breaking the server license agreement then PM the head server license administrator [R-DEV]epoch.


So please stop with the arguments.

[epoch]

Please don't PM me if you're just going to ***** about how a server is run. It's tedious.

If a server admin is clearly breaching their license, then sure, let me know.

If they're just acting like a bunch of lame douchebags, then I don't want to know. We have no server clause for that.

If a server is not a fun place to be, just wind your neck in, don't get stressed about it, and play someplace else. I honestly can't understand why people don't get that simple concept. It's just not that important to be made into an issue.

Note: This is general advice regarding any server, and not in any way endorsing or supporting the allegations in previous posts in relation to this particular server.

[Diamond_Dog]

I just think alot of players are fed up Epoch, that's all.

[Archerchef]

u spelled abuse wrong.

Edit: User was warned for "Useless/unhelpful" posting. When making such a comment at least also add to the discussion at hand otherwise warnings/infractions will ensue.

love ya hector!

[ViktorMk]

We run our server for the players. I've went out of my way to help players that are having a problem with a griefer, tker, etc. Just because you got into one arguement with Rebiv, doesnt mean you need to come here and whine. Astral, and TMP are drama queens and want to start drama. We tried handling it on our forums but you guys cursed us out immaturely. Astral came on TS and even said his goal was to get us disbanded as a clan, which means he would resort to anything to do it, even make up false accusations.

So if you don't like our server avoid it. Thats all there is to it.

[RoAdRa$H]

it flowed nice just admins arnt on top of things.

[Smallz]

Double posted, sorry.

[Smallz]

We run our server for the players. I've went out of my way to help players that are having a problem with a griefer, tker, etc. Just because you got into one arguement with Rebiv, doesnt mean you need to come here and whine. Astral, and TMP are drama queens and want to start drama. We tried handling it on our forums but you guys cursed us out immaturely. Astral came on TS and even said his goal was to get us disbanded as a clan, which means he would resort to anything to do it, even make up false accusations.

So if you don't like our server avoid it. Thats all there is to it.

I'm not going to say anything bad about TAR because they have been pretty good to GS in the past. When TAR was full of douchebags like Godric it was pretty hard to deal with, but since they are gone its been easier. If I have one complaint is that the map rotation gets pretty stale. Its always some variation of a big map, be it kashan or silent eagle because the admins want to fly all the time. Another complaint is that if you plan on getting on TS while rebiv is on, be prepared to get your ear yelled off since he cannot seem to communicate any other way.
However, you saying that astral and TMP "cursed you out" is pretty wrong since you are the one who lost control instantly. It was pretty civil until you posted "We admin hard everyday so that the pubbers are happy. Someones just jealous of our server position. Go back to playing on your shitty empty server by you'rselfs im sure you will have a grand time their." That was the thing that set it off. I'm not on any side, as far as I'm concerned you guys can do what you want because people still play there, and this goes to everyone who's gotten upset in this thread: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T PLAY THERE. Its that simple.

[corp_calqluslethal]

Yea I'm really fed up. And usually I would post on the clan's forum. But not when dealing wit a power hunger kid.

Let me explain what happened the last day I was on the server.

I joined a Cas squad on Kashan. I was set to fly F-16 and us 3 all agreed to cycle spotting, F-16, and A-10 positions. We got owned by the mig, flown by a TAR. Cool who cares. We'll the spotter left and i became squad leader. I then unlocked the squad. Shortly after the SB clan joined. As soon as SB7Somaila7 joined he said whats up n word.

SBSomailia7 and myself have had it out before once before on the TAR server. The first time we met, he joined my squad and said what up N. The tone of his voice is that of a retard and since he was being racists i asked him are you a retard. That just sent his racists ego through the roof. I kicked him out the squad, he kept joining to say that racist bullshit, till i eventually locked the squad. Then on the next map he joins my squad doing the same shit. I just left man. I just avoided the dude altogether, if he's racists i really don't want anything to do with him.

Now back to my last day on the sever. SBSomailia joined my squad and said what up N word. I said oh the retards on today. Then his whole clan jumped in. Saying stuff like booh ya ka, booh ya ka, n word. And another day in the hood gonna do a drive by on some N. At least i'm not a n word. So after moving to a safe spot i told Rebiv they were being racists. He says please stop fellas. They kept saying racist **** to me and the n word. I said rebiv are you gonna do something. He said are you telling me i gotta ban someone on my own sever. I then went off on Rebiv and left the sever.

He said you saying I gotta ban someone on my OWN sever. That shows he doesn't give a **** about you guys. You guys are their for him not the other way around. You are there so he has some guys to fill up his sever with, so he can be squad leader and have a team, so he can have a medic reviving his *** all day, your there so you can take some of the bullets and he doesn't have to play solo. When its all said and done you have no say so, he knows it and he likes it that way. Now i could be wrong which would be the case for most server admins, but thinking this through i think its kinda along those lines. You said you got rid of the bad admins, well only bad admin i ever saw was Rebiv. You defending the kid is probally more a show of friendship than the truth bro. I don't wish no harm to you, you seem cool and mature. And you pretty good on the game my man. But rebiv has ruined a good day for many on PR a lot of times.

Again PR admins i would have posted on their forums but i would have been met and welcomed by the childish Rebiv himself. In his words, his own sever and he does things he wants to do. I don't see how anything can be accomplished on a platform like that considering the problems dude has.